Miley Cyrus

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lol! Sorry, but it's just not comparable. A 13 yr old is different than a 27 yr old. A 27 yr old planning to kill is different than a 13 yr old hearing about "molly" for the first time and wanting to try it because someone she thinks is cool says it's cool. It's simply reckless.
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My point. If a 27-year-old took inspiration from a TV show on how to get rid of his girlfriend’s body, who’s to say that all entertainment isn't indirectly and directly responsible for kids AND adults doing stupid things?

With your argument, all violence on tv is responsible for ADULTS getting innovative ways to kill others. By the way, this is about Miley, not every loon that kills people and says he got the idea from a Metallica song, Dexter or a video game. We're talking about a girl that knows she's followed by KIDS and still publicly supports a hard drug.
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Again, this is exactly what I’m saying. We can’t make blanket statements that Miley is influencing America’s youth to do drugs because she’s making statements about how SHE enjoys doing drugs. No more than we can blame all violence on TV inspiring adults to kill others.

How is it glamorization? Again, it takes an idiot to relate the tragic fall of WW to the glamorization of molly/MDMA/ecstasy. I don't understand why "information about how to make drugs/drug = glamorization" AT ALL.
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What? Where did I say that Breaking Bad is glamorising drugs? I said that Miley makes a good point when she said that BB arguably teaches people how to cook meth.

If someone really wants to cook meth/acidify a body, they're going to do it...
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Completely agree. And if someone, be it a 15-year-old or 50-year-old wants to try something called Molly, they’re going to do it, regardless of whether Miley is singing its praises or not. Case in point, I’ve never heard of Molly until this thread frankly, and I haven’t had the inclination to even Google it.

I don't see why it's so hard for people to see the difference - this is almost exactly like the "weed isn't a drug" debate.
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Listen babe you’re preaching to the choir here. I dont get the allure of drugs so I really dont get what these celebs are on about or why when Snoop posts a picture of him holding two bags of green stuff, it's supposedly awesome. I just take umbrage at the fact that we’re expecting her to be a role model to impressionable kids when that’s not her job and she is clearly making that obvious. It’s like when Rihanna went back to Chris Brown and everyone was irked about it and what type of message it sends to young girls. The wrong message yes, but the world has gone severely wrong by allowing its kids to look up to a select handful of individuals who are fallible and imperfect and live in a universe that is simply not built on positivity, normalcy and responsibility. I also feel like the level of dislike she's getting right now is disproportionate to her crimes. At the worst, she's trashy and tacky, says stupid things and sticks her gross tongue out too much.
 
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vimrod said:
Again, this is exactly what I’m saying. We can’t make blanket statements that Miley is influencing America’s youth to do drugs because she’s making statements about how SHE enjoys doing drugs. No more than we can blame all violence on TV inspiring adults to kill others.
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the difference being that most people above the age of let's say 12 understand the difference between fiction and reality, between violence as a plot device for entertainment and story lines and a real life person encouraging dangerous behavior in real life.
 
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mundodabolsa said:
the difference being that most people above the age of let's say 12 understand the difference between fiction and reality, between violence as a plot device for entertainment and story lines and a real life person encouraging dangerous behavior in real life.
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Tell that to the very example above - the ADULT who copied a TV scene in disposing of his girlfriend's body. Like I keep saying, one is not worse than than the other.

In the interests of moving this thread forward, I was kind of surprised to hear that her father doesn’t feature in her documentary (her mother does). She and her father seem to have the oddest relationship, sometimes she seems to really dislike him, when she was calling him out on Twitter.
 
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vimrod said:
Tell that to the very example above - the ADULT who copied a TV scene in disposing of his girlfriend's body. Like I keep saying, one is not worse than than the other.

In the interests of moving this thread forward, I was kind of surprised to hear that her father doesn’t feature in her documentary (her mother does). She and her father seem to have the oddest relationship, sometimes she seems to really dislike him, when she was calling him out on Twitter.
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Agree about her relationship with her father.
 
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NY_Mami said:
Well for one, ecstasy is a designer drug, so it can be laced with literally anything... and all the druggies claim to get a better fix off of ecstasy than they would with cocaine or heroin... and like I said earlier... people can be in the ER or in the morgue almost immediately after using it... so Miley with her little young fans promoting it is not cute...
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Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

I actually have friends who've used all three. I'm not aware of any one I know dying from X or MDMA (not that people can't...simply that it's not as common). I HAVE had friends die from coke and heroin usage as well as get addicted and ruin their lives from it. That never happened with X.
You can very easily die from coke or heroin on first use.
 
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vimrod said:
My point. If a 27-year-old took inspiration from a TV show on how to get rid of his girlfriend’s body, who’s to say that all entertainment isn't indirectly and directly responsible for kids AND adults doing stupid things?
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No. The guy didn't get inspired to kill his gf from the TV show (and even if he did, it's still not the same). He simply used a body disposal technique from the show. Is BB airing every week and saying "Hey guys...we kill people cause it's cool". No. It's simply a fictional show that's about drug dealers.

MC IS saying "Hey kids, Molly is cool!". MC is endorsing it, BB is not. Miley is a real person who kids look up to. She's ACTUALLY doing these bad things and saying it's OK to do them. BB IS NOT ACTUALLY doing those bad things, so they're not saying it's OK to do them. If you can't see the difference here, I'm not sure what else to say.
 
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Charles said:
No. The guy didn't get inspired to kill his gf from the TV show (and even if he did, it's still not the same). He simply used a body disposal technique from the show. Is BB airing every week and saying "Hey guys...we kill people cause it's cool". No. It's simply a fictional show that's about drug dealers.

MC IS saying "Hey kids, Molly is cool!". MC is endorsing it, BB is not. Miley is a real person who kids look up to. She's ACTUALLY doing these bad things and saying it's OK to do them. BB IS NOT ACTUALLY doing those bad things, so they're not saying it's OK to do them. If you can't see the difference here, I'm not sure what else to say.
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Yep, right back at ya, same here, so as the poster above said, agree to disagree :tup:
 
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Wait...I do see the difference. You don't. There's not a "right back atcha" here. You have multiple people explaining why your example doesn't compare, then you're saying "Eh, I still think I'm right" This isn't a disagreement of opinions...it's you comparing apples to oranges. It's like me saying "The sky is red" and you saying "No, it's blue...here's why", then me saying "Agree to disagree!!"

Hold on a sec...are you Ron Burgundy??

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