Michael Jackson (1958 - 2009)

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bottom line, we dont know if they are biologically his kids or not. So to shoot down someone's opinion is just as hypocritical.


Wow, do you think???!!! That was the whole point of my previous post. Perhaps you would have grasped that little tidbit if you weren't so fiercely defending your friend by telling me I shot down her "opinion", when in fact she never offered one. Had she actually stated it was her opinion it would have been respected, but she didn't, she stated it as fact.

As for the rest of your post, I can't be bothered to respond to it because it would just be lost on you.
 
I just wanted to say, that it's still so sad that he is gone.
I am anxiously awaiting the toxicology reports and what, if any, ramifications there will be from the results. It's been what? Just over 20 days? Did they say it could take 4 weeks or more for the results? Seems like an awful long time...

same here..I think think they said six to eight weeks, then I heard on CNN that they may be in by monday..who knows but hopefully it's soon.
 
I don't want to hear any of the toxicology reports...my dad died from similar drug overdoses and all this talk makes me feel bad. I hope Paris, Michael and Blanket are sheltered from it. I just want to think of Michael as an angel at peace
 
That was an interesting article, but there are too many holes in the theory. For every artist who has shown signs of substance abuse and forms of mental troubles, I can name one who didn't suffer from severe manic-depression, turn to drugs, suicide, etc.

Off the top of my head -- Karl Lagerfeld, Picasso, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Mark Twain, Chris Rock, Prince -- the list goes on of artists who are still working, or continued to produce good work though out their lives and be brilliant, but not destructively eccentric.

Perhaps not eccentric.....but probably experienced some type of trouble during their lives (e.g. Chris Rock and racism/discrimination attending school; Picasso and the suicide of a close friend that led to the Blue Period; Mark Twain's later years filled with anti-government writing, etc.). Some people just channel it better than others....and the outlet of their art is enough. Others (e.g. Kurt Cobain) their art is just not enough.
 
Perhaps not eccentric.....but probably experienced some type of trouble during their lives (e.g. Chris Rock and racism/discrimination attending school; Picasso and the suicide of a close friend that led to the Blue Period; Mark Twain's later years filled with anti-government writing, etc.). Some people just channel it better than others....and the outlet of their art is enough. Others (e.g. Kurt Cobain) their art is just not enough.
True, but who hasn't had a few set backs or bad things happen to them. I agree, for some, their art is not enough... and yet what they have, in terms of talent, is so much more than most.



Here's something interesting in the on going saga...


Why is Michael's Mom Mounting Legal Challenge?
Posted Jul 19th 2009 10:10AM by TMZ Staff
Sources connected to Michael Jackson's family tell us some family members as well as lawyers for the estate are ticked off at some legal eagles who may be trying to start a legal war.

Attorneys Londell McMillan and Burt Levitch do not represent Michael's estate -- they represent Katherine Jackson personally. They filed legal papers Friday asking a judge to rule if Katherine can object to the appointment of the executors named in Michael's will and still collect the money her son left her.

Here's the issue. There's a "no contest" clause in the will, meaning anyone who files objections to the will automatically gets no money. McMillan and Levitch want to know if the "no contest" clause would apply if Katherine only objects to the executors Michael chose.

Here's what's bugging some family members and the lawyers representing the estate ... the will gives Katherine 40% of Michael's estate, so she can't be upset about that. The will names Katherine guardian for the children .. again, that's what she wants. And the named executors -- John Branca and John McClain -- are Michael's longtime, trusted advisors and friends.

So why would Katherine object to the will or the executors? A lot of people who are in the middle of it all feel Katherine is being manipulated and doesn't really understand the implications of mounting a legal challenge.

So why are McMillan and Levitch kicking up dust?

Why is Michael's Mom Mounting Legal Challenge? | TMZ.com
 
It's a well known fact that the Jacksons are in debt and Michael was supporting them, but then he started having financial trouble (hence the new tour) but I would love to know which Jackson is selling these pictures. Is the whole family getting this money (Katherine has many grandchildren at home that she is looking after) of is it just one person getting the money...

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Again with the comparisons? So just because Rashida Jones "looks" white, even though her biological father "looks" black, we're supposed to base our assumptions off of that? For every story of so and so is white but looks black, there is a story for so and so is white and looks white...
It means nothing. Personally, I have my doubts that MJ is the biological father, but my opinion means nothing and I'm fine with that. Genetic testing is the ONLY way to prove paternity, not appearance.

I'm confused....what assumptions? You're pretty much echoing my exact thoughts... that no one knows without any testing being done. I'm not sure if you noticed but I quoted Jayne1. I didn't assume anything. I never even stated my opinion for that matter. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't assume their not his kids just because they look white, hence the Rashida Jones comparison. She looks white but has a black father...Again, we're saying the same thing
 
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I'm confused....what assumptions? You're pretty much echoing my exact thoughts... that no one knows without any testing being done. I'm not sure if you noticed but I quoted Jayne1. I didn't assume anything. I never even stated my opinion for that matter. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't assume their not his kids just because they look white, hence the Rashida Jones comparison. She looks white but has a black father...Again, we're saying the same thing

Wait, now I'm confused? You said that you didn't state an opinion in regards to paternity, but you used the example of a woman who looks white, but who came from a black father. I guess I assumed that you were using your example of Rashida Jones as an explanation as to why MJ's children look white even though he, as the biological father, is black. I think I understand your point though and I believe we are saying the same thing:smile1:
 
anyone heard MJ's song titled "For All Time" its beautiful... it was not included in the original thriller cd but was included in the thriller 25th anniversary CD. The song is beautiful
 
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's father told CNN's Larry King Monday night that he never beat his son or made any mistakes in raising him.


Joe Jackson told CNN's Larry King he suspected foul play was involved in his son's death last month.

Joe Jackson also said the rumor that he wanted to take the singer's children on tour as the Jackson 3 was "a bunch of jive."

Jackson repeated his suspicion that foul play was involved in his son's death last month, but he conceded he did not know what happened. He said he had been blocked from seeing or talking to his son in the days before his death.

There were indications in the interview with Jackson, who was in Las Vegas, that he was not being included in all of the family's activities in recent weeks.

When King asked about the findings of the private autopsy -- which daughter LaToya Jackson last week said she's seen -- Joe Jackson answered "Well, they have not showed it to me, Larry. I'll put it like that."

He also said he did not know where his son's body has been kept since the memorial service.

"You'd have to ask somebody that knows," he said. "I don't know."

Jackson denied that he was legally separated from Katherine Jackson -- his wife of 60 years -- although he did say he spends most of his time in Las Vegas. His wife lives in the family home in Encino, California.

He denied a report that he had agreed to sign a document saying he would not be involved in helping raise Michael Jackson's three children as a way to help his wife retain custody of them.

"I've never said I was going to sign any papers to that effect," he said.

Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson's ex-wife and mother of his two oldest children, has not said yet whether she will challenge Katherine Jackson for custody.

Joe Jackson appeared careful to avoid any hints that he might encourage the children to enter show business, saying "they have to be what they are, kids, at the moment."

"I can't get into that right now, Larry, because, I mean, I just can't," he said.

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King asked him to respond to a media report quoting an unnamed family source that said Joe Jackson, who turned his sons into the Jackson 5, had approached Michael Jackson's children about touring next year as the Jackson 3.

"Not true. That's a bunch of jive. That's a bunch of -- I wish I could say what I should say. That's a bunch of bull."

Asked about stories that he was abusive to his son as a child, Jackson said "Oh, that's a bunch of bull S. That's a bunch of bull S."

"You never physically harmed him?" King asked.

"Never. Never have. And I -- and I raised him just like you would raise your kids, you know? But harm Michael, for what? I have no reason. That's my son. I loved him and I still love him," Jackson said. Watch Joe Jackson deny abusing Michael »

He said he made no mistakes in raising his children.

"Michael was raised properly," he said. "He didn't run the streets like most of those other kids that was in his neighborhood."

While denying any child abuse, Joe Jackson's explanation did leave the question of spanking:

"The media keep hollering about saying that I beat Michael. That's not true. You know what this beat started -- beat started in the slavery days. Where they used to beat the slaves and then they used to torture them. That's where this beating started. These slave masters, and that's where that come from. But, hey, there's a lot of people in America, Larry, a lot of people in America spank their kids, you know? They say they don't, they're lying. They're lying. Now, Michael was never beaten by me, I've never beaten at all."

Joe Jackson said he was not surprised or hurt to learn Michael left him out of his will.

"That's the way he wanted it," he said. "And it's not going to hurt me that I was left out of his will. But it happened."

The will, written in 2002, places all of Jackson's assets into a family trust that benefits his mother, the three children and various charities.

Joe Jackson showed frustration at being cut out of his son's life in his last days.

"Larry, I'm going to cut through the chase on this. I could never get to him. I tried all I could and I could never get to him because he -- I was barred away from him by securities and all that type of thing. I could not get to him," he said.

He then repeated his suspicion that foul play was involved in his son's death.

"If a doctor's there that couldn't bring you back -- and this doctor, he ran away. They had to look for him three days to find him. So what do you think there that's happened? To me, that's foul play."


Dr. Conrad Murray, who had been hired to attend to Jackson, was with the singer when he died on June 25. There were reports initially that Murray had disappeared after his unsuccessful efforts to resuscitate Jackson. His lawyer denied he was ever in hiding.

The Los Angeles County Coroner's office has not concluded if foul play was involved in the singer's death. A spokesman for the coroner said the results should be made public in the next two weeks.

source: Joe Jackson denies abusing Michael - CNN.com
 
Wait, now I'm confused? You said that you didn't state an opinion in regards to paternity, but you used the example of a woman who looks white, but who came from a black father. I guess I assumed that you were using your example of Rashida Jones as an explanation as to why MJ's children look white even though he, as the biological father, is black. I think I understand your point though and I believe we are saying the same thing:smile1:

Yeah, we are...As far as my opinion? I don't believe he's the dad. But to use the reason that "they look white" makes me feel shallow. That's why I posted the pics of Jones. She looks as "white" as they come, doesn't she? Anyways, I think everyone's probably just about ready to move on from this topic. I just hope whoever gets the kids will love and care for them as MJ did.
 
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's father told CNN's Larry King Monday night that he never beat his son or made any mistakes in raising him.


Joe Jackson told CNN's Larry King he suspected foul play was involved in his son's death last month.

Joe Jackson also said the rumor that he wanted to take the singer's children on tour as the Jackson 3 was "a bunch of jive."

Jackson repeated his suspicion that foul play was involved in his son's death last month, but he conceded he did not know what happened. He said he had been blocked from seeing or talking to his son in the days before his death.

There were indications in the interview with Jackson, who was in Las Vegas, that he was not being included in all of the family's activities in recent weeks.

When King asked about the findings of the private autopsy -- which daughter LaToya Jackson last week said she's seen -- Joe Jackson answered "Well, they have not showed it to me, Larry. I'll put it like that."

He also said he did not know where his son's body has been kept since the memorial service.

"You'd have to ask somebody that knows," he said. "I don't know."

Jackson denied that he was legally separated from Katherine Jackson -- his wife of 60 years -- although he did say he spends most of his time in Las Vegas. His wife lives in the family home in Encino, California.

He denied a report that he had agreed to sign a document saying he would not be involved in helping raise Michael Jackson's three children as a way to help his wife retain custody of them.

"I've never said I was going to sign any papers to that effect," he said.

Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson's ex-wife and mother of his two oldest children, has not said yet whether she will challenge Katherine Jackson for custody.

Joe Jackson appeared careful to avoid any hints that he might encourage the children to enter show business, saying "they have to be what they are, kids, at the moment."

"I can't get into that right now, Larry, because, I mean, I just can't," he said.

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King asked him to respond to a media report quoting an unnamed family source that said Joe Jackson, who turned his sons into the Jackson 5, had approached Michael Jackson's children about touring next year as the Jackson 3.

"Not true. That's a bunch of jive. That's a bunch of -- I wish I could say what I should say. That's a bunch of bull."

Asked about stories that he was abusive to his son as a child, Jackson said "Oh, that's a bunch of bull S. That's a bunch of bull S."

"You never physically harmed him?" King asked.

"Never. Never have. And I -- and I raised him just like you would raise your kids, you know? But harm Michael, for what? I have no reason. That's my son. I loved him and I still love him," Jackson said. Watch Joe Jackson deny abusing Michael »

He said he made no mistakes in raising his children.

"Michael was raised properly," he said. "He didn't run the streets like most of those other kids that was in his neighborhood."

While denying any child abuse, Joe Jackson's explanation did leave the question of spanking:

"The media keep hollering about saying that I beat Michael. That's not true. You know what this beat started -- beat started in the slavery days. Where they used to beat the slaves and then they used to torture them. That's where this beating started. These slave masters, and that's where that come from. But, hey, there's a lot of people in America, Larry, a lot of people in America spank their kids, you know? They say they don't, they're lying. They're lying. Now, Michael was never beaten by me, I've never beaten at all."

Joe Jackson said he was not surprised or hurt to learn Michael left him out of his will.

"That's the way he wanted it," he said. "And it's not going to hurt me that I was left out of his will. But it happened."

The will, written in 2002, places all of Jackson's assets into a family trust that benefits his mother, the three children and various charities.

Joe Jackson showed frustration at being cut out of his son's life in his last days.

"Larry, I'm going to cut through the chase on this. I could never get to him. I tried all I could and I could never get to him because he -- I was barred away from him by securities and all that type of thing. I could not get to him," he said.

He then repeated his suspicion that foul play was involved in his son's death.

"If a doctor's there that couldn't bring you back -- and this doctor, he ran away. They had to look for him three days to find him. So what do you think there that's happened? To me, that's foul play."


Dr. Conrad Murray, who had been hired to attend to Jackson, was with the singer when he died on June 25. There were reports initially that Murray had disappeared after his unsuccessful efforts to resuscitate Jackson. His lawyer denied he was ever in hiding.

The Los Angeles County Coroner's office has not concluded if foul play was involved in the singer's death. A spokesman for the coroner said the results should be made public in the next two weeks.

source: Joe Jackson denies abusing Michael - CNN.com
Thanks for posting this Japson, Joe Jackson is so full of it! he should be talkng about how he's been exploiting Michael by selling pictures of his son's children to the media in effort to make money and promote his business ventures? scumbag!
 
Joe is claiming he never beat MJ???!!! Does he think the whole world is that delusional? I swear he makes me so sick. For goodness sake your son just died, lay off the media circuit and go comfort your grandchildren or something.
 
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