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Words by Mr Tom Shone

Having just got off the plane from New York after completing the US press tour for his latest film, Shame, and coming straight from the airport to the studio in central London where a bevy of MR PORTER's make-up artists and stylists have been preparing for his arrival, Mr Steve McQueen is tired.

"I just wanted to go home," he says of the tour, during which he was fêted, lionised, praised to the skies, and damned in equal measure - the usual baptism of fire faced by a young British film director with a controversy du jour on his hands. Shame picked up a best actor trophy at the Venice Film Festival earlier this year for its unblinking portrait of a sex addict named Brandon (Mr Michael Fassbender) who by day toils at an anonymous, high-paying corporate job and by night watches his life slide into a mosh pit of porn, hookers and hook-ups.


Some critics thought we'd made pornography. Another 10% don't think there's a thing called sex addiction. Go figure... Most critics are middle-aged men anyway

"About 20% of the critics thought we'd made pornography," says Mr McQueen, who talks in an impassioned headlong mumble without making much eye contact. "You're gonna get that reaction because we're making a film about sex. Another 10% do not think there's a thing called sex addiction. 'It's a film about sex that's not sexy.' Go figure. It's like someone saying, 'It's a film about drugs and people are not having a great time.' I felt like Jamie Oliver talking about obesity and people going, 'What's the problem, it's their free choice'! O-K. I wouldn't have got that response if I'd been making a film about drugs or alcohol. Most of them are middle-aged men anyway."

He dismisses the critics with an imperious wave of his hand. Mr McQueen has a reputation for difficulty - a recent interview with The New York Times devolved into an argument over music between the director and a bar manager - and his publicist warns me it might be best to speak to him before the photoshoot, to "warm him up". He's certainly got an abrasive, rolling energy. Upon arriving at the studio, the first thing he does is take issue with the clothes that have been set out for him to choose for the shoot. "I'm not wearing that," he announces. "That's not my thing. Not at all. Maybe the shoes."

Beneath the hauteur, though, Mr McQueen seems painfully shy, with something of a child's hatred of being pinned down. All questions about his past are batted away. Before making feature films he achieved fame as an artist, winning the Turner Prize for a series of experimental short films, but when I ask him if he regards himself as an artist or film-maker, he says, "I leave that to other people. I don't think like that." Is his work personal? "Not particularly, no. Not at all. That's your imagined idea of an artist." But he was born and raised in West London? "I'm not answering questions about my parents. Move on. Next question."

At this point, our interview begins to hit a kind of obstreperous rhythm, me asking questions, him treating the whole exercise as an opportunity for a clay pigeon shoot: whatever you say I am, that's not me. How was his experience as a British film-maker in Hollywood? "I don't wear my nationality in that way." He now lives in Amsterdam with wife and daughter? "I'm not talking about that. Next question." Ho boy. Let's put it down to jet lag.

We are on firmer ground talking about his feature films, starting with 2008's Hunger, about IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, also played by Mr Fassbender, with whom Mr McQueen seems to have struck up a Scorsese/De Niro style working relationship. "It took time, there wasn't an immediate love, it was love the second time around," says Mr McQueen. "He's known me for four years now, so that level of trust comes through time. It's a question of trust. I'm very proud of that, very pleased. I don't hire actors; I work with actors, whether it's Michael or Carey [Mulligan, who co-stars in Shame]... It's about working together as a team."
 
I love the title of that James Baldwin book, Evidence of Things Not Seen. We come to the cinema, sit down with our past, our present, our baggage, and project what we know onto the screen

Shame started life as a 45-minute conversation in a café between him and screenwriter Ms Abi Morgan about internet pornography and sex addiction, but when they approached groups of recovering addicts in the UK the response was somewhat reticent. "At that time, it was very high profile in the press - the Tiger Woods story had just broken - people really didn't want to speak to us. Doors were being shut in our faces. I said 'OK, let's go to the States'." After "a very intense week" trawling recovery groups in New York, they had their central character, but resisted the urge to freight him to too much back story.

"The kind of films that get made now, within the first half-hour you know everything about a person. Who they are, where they come from. I wanted to make it a first-hand account, where you found out the past through the present. I love the title of that James Baldwin book, Evidence of Things Not Seen. We come to the cinema, we sit down with our past, our present, our luggage, our baggage, and project what we know onto the screen."

Both his films are about individuals who treat their bodies as battle grounds, I point out - one to be starved of nourishment, the other surfeited with pleasure. "What was interesting to me was they're both films about freedom, in a way. Trying to find one's freedom in a different kind of environment. Bobby Sands, in order to transcend his environment, stops eating. Brandon is in surroundings that seem to be free - he has all these obvious advantages: he's good-looking, good job, well paid - and what does he do? He puts himself in his own prison. Why? I don't know."

At the end, he shakes my hand and thanks me for the "great interview". I wonder what the bad ones are like.
 
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ES Awards, best actor award now - and it goes to the glorious Michael Fassbender!


Michael Fassbender wins Best Actor for Shame and Jane Eyre!

Best Actor Award given by Elizabeth McGovern to Michael Fassbender for Shame and
Jane Eyre - "capable of almost anything as an actor".

Abi Morgan, accepting best actor on behalf of Fassbender, apologises for disappointing all the women and probably some of the men in the rm
 
Michael cleaning up with all the awards this season (or, should I say non-politically influenced awards)! I've a sliver of hope that BAFTA will reward him this weekend. Have no doubt IFTA's his to lose (may he not get too smashed before the acceptance speech :D).

Welcome to the thread Venus!
 
^Oups, that is supposed to read "Michael is cleaning up..."

/// McQueen's a bit thorny in that Mr Porter interview. Here's another one he did with Little White Lies for their January issue dedicated to Shame. LWL also interviewed Fassbender, but that one has already been posted in older pages of the thread.

The visionary British writer/director talks Shame, sex and cinema.
by Adam Woodward

In just two features, Steve McQueen has established himself as one of the UK’s truly visionary filmmakers. A creator of extraordinarily passionate and incendiary movies, in person he’s every bit as fiery as we’d hoped, as we found out when we sat down with McQueen recently to chew the fat on sex, Shame, and cinema.

LWLies: How’re things?

McQueen: Good. I’m very pleased with how we’ve been received, starting off in Venice. Of course when you’re showing something for the first time to people, for an audience, you’re petrified but that was interesting to see the public’s response, which was great. And also seeing Michael [Fassbender]’s response, because that was the first time he’d seen it. Then of course Toronto, which again was amazing. And New York… Bringing the movie home to New York was amazing because that’s where it started really. It was similar in the way that going back to Belfast was special for Hunger, it was like going back home.

New York is a good place to start. Why did you decide to make Shame there?

Well, actually, what happened was that it was never my intention to make a movie in New York. Never. What happen was, I had a meeting with [Shame co-writer] Abi Morgan… somehow we got together. I looked at my watch knowing we only had an hour and suddenly it’s three hours later and we’re still talking. And, um, you know, the conversation started off; we started talking about the internet and from there we got onto pornography and then sexual addiction. Alarm bells started ringing in my head, I couldn’t get the idea out of my mind, and I came back to London and attempted to speak to several sex addicts, but no one would talk to me. So then I went after experts in the field, and it just so happened that the experts we found were in New York. They introduced us to sex addicts, and from there it just made sense to make the film in New York. The wind had carried us there.

So it was circumstance that led you there?

Yeah. But, you know, some things happen by accident and you’re happy for that.

New York is such an important character in Shame, in Brandon’s life…

Sure. I’ve been going to New York since 1977, since the blackout and Elvis dying, I fell in love with the place then. The majority of my family live there and my work as far as my art is concerned revolves around New York. I’m there virtually every year, if not twice, three times a year. So there’s a familiarity to it, specifically to Manhattan which is where most of the film is set. I’d say after London that’s the place I’m most familiar with, even though I live in Amsterdam. It wasn’t alien to me, but then this character, Brandon, was. So we had to find out where he would live, what job he would go to, how much salary he’d have, which led to what kind of apartment he’d have – his apartment’s kind of small. And, of course, what was interesting to me is that a lot of New Yorkers live and work in the sky. For a European that’s quite a weird thing to get your head around, and when I was making the movie, for three months I was living 24 or 25 floors up. Often there’s a huge panoramic view from these apartments, but what it actually does is it makes your own perspective on life quite lonely. It’s almost like a funnel; you’re standing at the small end and there’s a whole world out there but you’re very far away from it. It’s like a cinema screen in your house, but it isolates you…

The scene where Carey Mulligan sings ‘New York, New York’ is set in a high-rise bar. The scene belongs to a different world from the rest of the film, a less grounded place.

Uh-huh, absolutely. It’s the lack of space, that’s the thing. In order to get an illusion of space you make buildings with massive windows; that’s why New York is all skyscrapers and glass and steel. Otherwise it would be so claustrophobic. But there’s always this sense that you are one in a million, you have no significance.

Going back to before Hunger, we’re interested in how you and Michael bonded. Not how you met, but how the relationship began.

Initially we didn’t get on at all. I thought, ‘Who is this arrogant person?’ In the audition [for Hunger] he came in ad asked questions about the script and my immediate reaction was, ‘Who’s this guy?’ What happened was, I was seeing other people the next day and I decided to bring him back in and seeing him that second time I realised he was the guy. That was it. After that we got on like a house on fire. I don’t really know how it happened to be honest with you. It’s not something I asked for but I’m very grateful it happened. It’s a lot like falling in love in that the most unexpected moments can be the ones you cherish the longest.

You can’t go out looking for it?

Yeah because if you do it’ll never happen. That was never my intention. Love is the only thing I can compare it to. Sometimes we’ll be on set and I’ll just grunt and I’ll get a grunt back and we’ll know what each other wants. Other times he’s finishing my sentences and I’m finishing his. It’s odd because I don’t really question it. I’ve never questioned it. But one of the things I’ve found is that not everyone can do what Michael does, and I didn’t know that. I came from working with actors in a very different way and… I don’t know, it’s very difficult to put my finger on it.

Hunger was a political film in the more overt sense that it centred on a political figure. Shame is about sexual politics. Do you see much cohesion between the two?

Yeah, I think it’s about how we things affect us. Of course, Hunger was overtly political and, as you say, Shame focuses on sexual politics. But the important thing there is that it’s not a political film, it’s not a comment on modern life. You know, sex addiction was around a long time before the internet, it didn’t start just because technology facilitated it. It’s just about how we live. We don’t have choices often, we’re given choices through by surroundings we live in and we have to work out the best ways to deal with that. Um, you know, again, it’s how things work. Everything’s political: love is political, this bottle of water in front of me is political. Tell me it’s not.

Going back to the research into Brandon’s persona, did you find that most sex addicts you spoke to where normal nine-to-five kind of guys?

Well, again, yes, they were very normal, and the ones who paid for therapy maybe had a bit more money than some of the others. There’re all kinds of people who suffer from that addiction in all kinds of shapes and forms. But just to focus on, um… we met a few guys that were young and had disposable incomes. That’s the sort of people we were looking for, the people that we knew we could be faithful to when it came to telling their story.

Brandon is a very ritualistic creature.

Sure. Well, I’m very interested in ritual, especially the commute and the food he eats, the way he eats it. That was very important to me. He’s a busy guy, like we all are, and he relies on services to get things do; whether it’s order his take-out or getting his laundry done. You know, he jogs in a very ritualistic way. But the thing I love the most about Brandon’s ritual is the music. The whole idea of him listening to Glenn Gould records and him having a connection with vinyl, with records, was very important to me. There’s this great tactility to it, the tactility of music where you take a record out of the sleeve, place onto the record player, bring the arm across… that’s such a beautiful ritual. I wanted him to have a physical connection to the music.

Talking technology, we don’t know when Brandon’s addiction started, but there’s a sense that the internet isn’t solely to blame. A lot you people point that finger, but you don’t. Why?

I think sex is more accessible now just because of the internet. I mean, when I was growing up the nearest thing I got to pornography was the top shelf of a newsagents. Now you click twice on a mouse and it’s up on the screen. So the internet has definitely facilitated sex addiction, but it’s not to blame. Brandon uses prostitutes, he uses magazines, he fetishises collecting them, so he has more than one way to get his rocks off, which is often the case. Few sex addicts are just addicted to internet pornography.

Shame is a snapshot of Brandon’s life, we don’t see the start or the end point of his journey.

That’s exactly it, we come into it without a head or a tail. It’s a moment, we don’t know him before and we don’t know what will happen to him after. When we present this situation with Sissy and Brandon we don’t explain the past, and the reason I did that was because I didn’t want it to be familiar. Everyone when they go to the cinema brings their luggage and their baggage into the theatre and they can gauge what could have happened. It’s up the audience to make their own mind up, I’m not going to spin some long, tiresome yarn for their sake. Also, I didn’t want it to be an excuse for what Brandon is doing.

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Sex addiction is regarded as taboo, whereas alcoholism, smoking addition, etc, have been stripped of much of the stigma surrounding them. Why do you think sex addiction is not as commonly depicted in popular culture?

Look, you can go back 50 years, before Billy Wilder’s The Lost Weekend, and people didn’t even talk about it then. It’s being taken seriously now. It’s the same with sex addiction. When I first heard about it I laughed, but when you realise that in order to get through a day this person has to relieve themselves 10 or so times it ceases to become funny. Sex is everywhere so it seems to be okay, and if you’ve got a healthy sex life then it’s fantastic, but when sex becomes something that you need to get you through a day it becomes dangerously unhealthy.

Is Shame social observation?

It’s not in the sense that I’m not making a comment, it’s just the reality that’s out there. It’s got nothing to do with me waving red flag, it’s just how it is. I have no judgment on it, I’m just reflecting reality. I’m not interested in making a statement. I’m an immoral person who leans into the moral spectrum every now and then. What artists have done since the beginning of time is look at ourselves and put ourselves on canvasses or in sculptures or in the cinema… Are these answers okay, by the way, I have a tendancy to ramble.

Not at all, this is great. Just thinking about your career from a wider perspective now… Was there a moment before Hunger when you decided you wanted to focus on making films?

No. The subject matter tells me what to do. The next one might want me to make a sculpture, it might want me to do a print. The subject matter is the arse for the film, not the other way around. I want to make a feature film, doesn’t mean anything. Bobby Sands was crying out for a narrative, a feature film, same with sex addiction, but other times it doesn’t work that way. I did a film about Coltan which is the mineral that you find in everyone’s mobile phones, about five years ago, but it doesn’t matter. It’s all about the content, not the form. The content provides the form.

Inevitably with a film that handles such delicate subject material you’re going to get labels like ‘controversial’ and ‘brave’. How do you respond to that?

I don’t really care to be honest with you. I don’t really care. It is what it is, I’m not reactionary; I’m not trying to stir the pot. I’m just trying to make films that have a reason to be made.

Do you make your art for yourself?

No, no, I’m not that selfish. It’s not about me it’s about we. I’ve collaborated with a lot of people to make this film, and film is an immensely collaborative process. It was important to make Shame. Full stop.


Our tagline is ‘truth and movies’, what’s the single greatest truth you discovered while making these two features?

Be nice to people and you’re film will turn out better. It sounds corny but it’s true, the truth is that people in general are really nice and I believe that everyone should be respected. That’s the truth.

You clearly value the efforts of others.

Yes, but I’m a dictator. I’m an extraordinary, ruthless dictator, but I’m not stupid. As any good leader will say, you have to recognise other people’s talents in order to make your work better. Abi Morgan and Shaun Bobbit, who I’ve worked with for 11 years, Joe Walker, the editor, Ian Canning, the producer, Michael Fassbender and Carey Mulligan… these are all extremely talented people, you have the cream of the crop. But they stimulating, they need someone who will arose and inspire them; allow their talents to come to the fore. That’s what being a leader is about; inspiring those around you. To inspire a performance, to inspire a cameraman, to inspire the catering to make nice food for us. It starts from the ground up. If the food’s **** on set it’s disastrous. Look after the chef and you’ll look after your movie.

Do you see filmmaking as your profession now?

No, it’s not a job. I’m lucky enough that I can pay my bills and my mortgage with it, it’s fantastic, but that was never the purpose.

What did Carey bring to Shame, how did she come to be Sissy?

Carey’s great, but she’s nothing like Michael Fassbender. Obviously Michael and I knew each other and there was a lot for her to work out before she came on set.

You mean in terms of the character?

Sure, but there are expectations as well that she had and she’s told me that it was tough in terms of the research that was involved with Sissy. She appreciated it because we went on a real journey together with Sissy. You know, I know Sissy, you know Sissy, everyone out there knows Sissy, it’s someone that’s very needy and uncompromising, very demanding on you. You love that person but sometimes you can’t take that person. That person can be extraordinarily exhilarating sometimes but other times they’re just too much. She’s an extreme, but she’s universal. Most of us get through life making compromises, but Sissy never compromises and because of that she’ll get hurt more. We did a lot of talking through that, a lot of talking.

Going forward, you’ve just announced your third film, which Michael will again be involved in…

Yes.

What’s the hope for the next one?

Just to try to do the best film that I could possibly do. Right now I couldn’t do a better film than Shame. I couldn’t do better, but I hope the next one that I do will be better. It will be better.

Do you look back at your work much?

Nope. But then that was the best thing I could’ve done. Progress, that’s it.

Do you feel like a part of the British film industry now?

I’m not a part of any British nothing. I’m me. End of story. I’m not interested in nationalism, never was. The British film industry, being a part of it, doesn’t mean a thing to me.
 
Michael cleaning up with all the awards this season (or, should I say non-politically influenced awards)! I've a sliver of hope that BAFTA will reward him this weekend. Have no doubt IFTA's his to lose (may he not get too smashed before the acceptance speech :D).

Welcome to the thread Venus!

He won the RAFA last week as well for Shame.

I wouldn't count on him winning the IFTA. Brendan Gleeson was really good in The Guard, which also won an Evening Standard award tonight.
 
I’m not a part of any British nothing. I’m me. End of story. I’m not interested in nationalism, never was. The British film industry, being a part of it, doesn’t mean a thing to me.

This is a very strong statement. I think the fact that he is the elite darling of the British art world has opened a lot of doors for him and his films. Not sure he would have gotten the (critical) support he has received so far, if he was a non-Brit.

I'm quite interested in what brought on this statement. What a fascinating man.
 
Its time to play the music
Its time to light the lights
Its time to meet the muppets....on the Muppet Show tonight.

Its time put on makeup
Its time to dress up right
Its time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight

I can't wait to see this interview!

I only recently learnt that Miss Piggy's voiced by a man (Frank Oz). I've been fooled all these years :laugh:
 
Just took a look at the BAFTA seating and Michael is going to have a ball sitting next to Viola, in front of Octavia, next to Penelope Cruz, and one chair down from Brad and George :P
 
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