MFF markings/grading on 'FP deletes'?

[Sol Ryan]

Well, this tops them all! @lizmil reports that the outlets are expecting MFF Rogues!
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...scussion-thread.913051/page-496#post-32855527

We need an unlike button... I’m never believing another thing Coach says... I hate it when I feel like I’ve been had. The 2 years when all the 1941 stuff sold out tricked me and I admit I still feel burned that I paid full price for my 1941 Saddle Bag and one of my Rogues just to find them at the outlet a few months later... I’m an outlet shopper, but I remember the Rhyder’s with the feathers selling out so quickly. I thought Vevers had changed Coach. I started jumping on the bags I really wanted so I wouldn’t miss them. I thought it meant Coach had changed, but they haven’t...

I’m okay with a factory version as long as it looks/feels different, the outlet legacy bags didn’t have Legacy Lining and that was fine. But the exact Name/Model/Number irks me, why should I pay full price/PCE/SAS for a bag that a few weeks after the sale I can get a pretty much exact replica of for 70% off? What value does full price have? It’s definitely not the service in the store...

 

[lizmil]

We need an unlike button... I’m never believing another thing Coach says... I hate it when I feel like I’ve been had. The 2 years when all the 1941 stuff sold out tricked me and I admit I still feel burned that I paid full price for my 1941 Saddle Bag and one of my Rogues just to find them at the outlet a few months later... I’m an outlet shopper, but I remember the Rhyder’s with the feathers selling out so quickly. I thought Vevers had changed Coach. I started jumping on the bags I really wanted so I wouldn’t miss them. I thought it meant Coach had changed, but they haven’t...

I’m okay with a factory version as long as it looks/feels different, the outlet legacy bags didn’t have Legacy Lining and that was fine. But the exact Name/Model/Number irks me, why should I pay full price/PCE/SAS for a bag that a few weeks after the sale I can get a pretty much exact replica of for 70% off? What value does full price have? It’s definitely not the service in the store...

I know how you feel, I have no idea what these Rogues will look like, or if this manager really has it right, but knowing Coach history, I bet they will duplicate the Rogue for factory. It's what they do.

 

[Pagan]

Then I’m officially done with Coach. If I wabted outlet bags I wouldn’t have spent thousands on 1941.

I have been mostly buying LV abd Dior of late; I will stick to them.

 

[momtok]

The one thing I do like that Coach has done, are the semi annual sales, winter sale, etc. It actually does remove some of the incentive for outlet hunting, and I'm an example of it myself. I have numerous outlets I could hit (I'm in eastern PA, so anyone from that area knows the relative abundance), but I just don't want the extra drive, extra messing around at those malls, etc.

I have a boutique that I love, and a couple SA's that are really just the best. So with so much going to the semi annual sales for 50% off ... well jeez, I'll take that over messing with the outlets any day. The two SA's I like will order it if need be, deliver it to the store, then I make exactly one trip, and get to look at the newer stuff while I'm there too. Do I miss an extra 20% off at outlet? Well ... maybe ... but,
1) eh ... 20% is far from enough to bother me
2) less driving and outlet running/hunting
3) I can find the stuff easier on SAS, and
4) Heck, at this last sale, just before Christmas, I got a bunch of stuff from SAS, and my SA just quick reduced everything to the 50% plus 20% as price adjustment.

Now I do realize that not everyone has a boutique near them, .
**And** I continue to think it's smarmy that they say things like xyz will never go on sale, and then it does. THAT is, and always has been a problem, if only because it's inherently sneaky.

But the one, lone thing that I think Coach did right with their changes, was the SAS. If they're going to have sales (and they obviously will), and if they're going to reduce item prices (and they obviously will), then I think that extra layer in the sale chain between the boutique and the outlet, was smart. With SAS being online and open to everyone in that way ... that, I think, was a win-win overall for both Coach and the customers as a whole.
Just wanted to toss that out there. Give them credit for at least one change that I, personally, think worked well.

 

[momtok]

Then I’m officially done with Coach. If I wabted outlet bags I wouldn’t have spent thousands on 1941.

I have been mostly buying LV abd Dior of late; I will stick to them.

Heh, yeah I have a bunch of LV too (I'm stalking something there right now in fact), but I've long been an and/or type of girl. LV's canvas is bullet-proof, but I keep going back to Coach for leather. Even my empreinte doesn't do it for me the way Coach does, especially Coach's pebbled and glovetanned.

But really, this debate goes around every couple years on here. I remember these rounds with the whole Legacy debacle years ago. Then later the Boroughs. Threads like this happen, people get ticked, then new people come in who just don't realize, and/or Coach claims they'll change, and the cycle starts right over again.

The hard truth is that if people really do want 'exclusivity', and 'special things that others don't have' (although that's even harder to achieve in a city), then you have to switch to premiere. Like it or not. Period. I love my LVs too (bullet-proof canvas, just bullet-proof, I love that), but like I said, I still adore Coach leather. (Me massaging a Coach leather bag is probably risque, but I swear I'm actually a nice old-fashioned girl. )

 

[Pagan]

It’s not an exclusivity issue - the LV bags I have are very common (NF, Speedy B, PA). The difference is that I won’t pay a premium for LV only to find it or a cheapened version of it at an outlet store later.

There is nothing wrong with outlet stores but the reality is that they tend to carry made for outlet versions that are of lesser quality. All good because they cost less and there is clearly a market for that. But I don’t want to pay $1000 for a bag only to find a MFF version of it at the outlet later. I own 6 different Rogues and now they are being made for the outlet? Then they are no longer anything more than outlet bags to me and I feel duped.

Coach may have done this before but I was not buying from them then. I thought they had moved away from the signature jacquard prints (ghastly to someone who hates logos) and knocking off their own more costly designs from the boutique. Clearly not.

I know others feel differently but they’ve cheapened the brand to the point I no longer feel good wearing it. I only carry the 1941 line because there isn’t a Coach logo on it and they were well made a couple of years ago. I’ve donated away every bag with a metal Coach logo on it.

I’ll wear branded Coach merchandise at the same time I wear fuzzy pink trackpants that say Juicy across the ass. That will be never.

Really Coach, you don’t know how to get out of your own way. Selling your most costly bsgs in a MFF version is NOT moving upmarket.

 

[Sol Ryan]

I actually used to enjoy the SAS. I’ve just lost my boutique relationships. We got a new District Manager and apparently she was hard to get along with so in less than a year all the SAs in the store quit. I actually had to do my own order for my Mailbox bags because the new store manager didn’t know how and to be honest that really really irked me. I shouldn’t know their computer systems better than them, but the previous manager would let me look through the purses with her and the forms so I saw how to do it. New manager was calling another store and took almost 45 minutes before I took over...

I finally found a new outlet that is like my one back home that will do found orders for me, but the only thing I’ve really been interested in lately are the Rogues and some keychains.

I remember a lot of the Coach Factory version debacles from then Bleecker Street Peytons, the Zoe’s, the Brooklyn etc. I just made the mistake of thinking with Vevers in and Krakoff our they meant it when they said they would turn things around. It looked like they had the Mickie while clearly inspired by the Rhyder was different and that’s fine.

I still miss the Rhyder actually lol...it was a bag that kinda meant hope in a new Coach...

I’m debating asking about it on their facebook, but I’ve never made a public post there and don’t really want to start now lol...

 

[momtok]

I actually used to enjoy the SAS. I’ve just lost my boutique relationships. We got a new District Manager and apparently she was hard to get along with so in less than a year all the SAs in the store quit. I actually had to do my own order for my Mailbox bags because the new store manager didn’t know how and to be honest that really really irked me. I shouldn’t know their computer systems better than them, but the previous manager would let me look through the purses with her and the forms so I saw how to do it. New manager was calling another store and took almost 45 minutes before I took over...

I finally found a new outlet that is like my one back home that will do found orders for me, but the only thing I’ve really been interested in lately are the Rogues and some keychains.

I remember a lot of the Coach Factory version debacles from then Bleecker Street Peytons, the Zoe’s, the Brooklyn etc. I just made the mistake of thinking with Vevers in and Krakoff our they meant it when they said they would turn things around. It looked like they had the Mickie while clearly inspired by the Rhyder was different and that’s fine.

I still miss the Rhyder actually lol...it was a bag that kinda meant hope in a new Coach...

I’m debating asking about it on their facebook, but I’ve never made a public post there and don’t really want to start now lol...

Yeah, that stinks about losing your good SAs at the boutique. That really does stink. I hate ordering online, and I hate worrying about stuffing being shipped. So I really lucked out with the SAs at our store, because theyr'e so good about ordering for me, getting it into the store, and then I just have one trip to pick it up.

Regarding Vevers and Krakoff, do we really think they're the ones making these decisions? Because I actually think it's the business execs doing it, because they're always watching the bottom money line. I don't think it's the actual 'designers'. And the Coach execs .... hahahahaha .... I neither trust nor believe them half the time. I mean like I said -- bottom money line to them.

As for your thought of mentioning it on facebook ....... you know, I guess I just have a very jaded opinion of the higher ups, and even the media/PR people within the company 'Coach' itself. Did you ever hear about the debacle I went through when I actually *bought* something from one of Coach's "execs"?? It was frustrating at the time, and hilarious in hindsight. She was an IDIOT, and I don't use that word lightly. It turns out that the bag I bought from her (I mean that actual bag itself) was featured in publicity shots at a gallery in NYC. Really nifty, right? But it was a NIGHTMARE getting her to actually send the dang thing. If SHE was any example of a typical Coach exec, then we are all in real trouble.

Here, I just tracked down my thread from when it happened. You'll love this. Like I said, if she's typical of the people running and managing that company at the higher tiers, well then we've all lost.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ch-exec-boy-do-i-have-a-story-for-you.878317/

 

[momtok]

Oh, and if you go to that link about my buying something from a Coach exec, read post 14 too. She was the director of a certain department within Coach, and it was high enough level that I found her featured in fashion magazine articles about her 'level' in the company. And yet I can't tell you how scatter-brained she was about simply sending me the item I purchased.

 

[momtok]

It’s not an exclusivity issue - the LV bags I have are very common (NF, Speedy B, PA). The difference is that I won’t pay a premium for LV only to find it or a cheapened version of it at an outlet store later.

There is nothing wrong with outlet stores but the reality is that they tend to carry made for outlet versions that are of lesser quality. All good because they cost less and there is clearly a market for that. But I don’t want to pay $1000 for a bag only to find a MFF version of it at the outlet later. I own 6 different Rogues and now they are being made for the outlet? Then they are no longer anything more than outlet bags to me and I feel duped.

Coach may have done this before but I was not buying from them then. I thought they had moved away from the signature jacquard prints (ghastly to someone who hates logos) and knocking off their own more costly designs from the boutique. Clearly not.

I know others feel differently but they’ve cheapened the brand to the point I no longer feel good wearing it. I only carry the 1941 line because there isn’t a Coach logo on it and they were well made a couple of years ago. I’ve donated away every bag with a metal Coach logo on it.

I’ll wear branded Coach merchandise at the same time I wear fuzzy pink trackpants that say Juicy across the ass. That will be never.

Really Coach, you don’t know how to get out of your own way. Selling your most costly bsgs in a MFF version is NOT moving upmarket.

Well, that's the thing ... all these years and they haven't changed. I too hoped the company's plan to reboot themselves meant their statements would start to stick. If there was ever a time to actually change their methods, these last couple of years were it.

But there are just too many outlets, those outlets are too much of a revenue source, and the bottom line for the company is revenue. Backing out of that revenue scheme would mean closing down a massive number of outlets, which their accountants would see as financial suicide.

It is unfortunate, truly , but this conversation really does come round every few years. But there are always new ladies getting interested in the word of designer bags, sometimes women just becoming old enough to branch out on their own and start buying/building their wardrobes. They don't realize Coach's tricks, they get into it, and then something like this happens and the cycle repeats.

Coach really *does* do nice leather. I have vintage Coach bags I've rehabbed over the years, and there are few leathers out there that hold up like that leather. That's why I still buy and use them right alongside my 'premier' bags. Even Coach's new glovetanned leather ... I just got done sitting outside the high school to pick my daughter up, and I spent that half hour rummaging on my phone and manhandling my glove-tanned Dinky.

It's just that buying from Coach, and doing it without frustration, really does have to be: 1) buy because you love the bag or the leather, 2) don't believe their claims, 3) wait at the very least for a good pce, SAS preferable, or outlet if it's a bag you're not absolutely desperate for, and 4) don't sweat the small stuff if someone else gets it a little cheaper.

Sad sigh.

 

[shillinggirl88]

I've got an interesting one for you.

Maybe it serves me for trying to play Coach's games with pricing etc. But this is really putting a bad taste in my mouth.

Last week I posted 6pm had the Cooper Carryall in saddle deeply discounted when Coach had been claiming essentially sold out. I couldn't help myself and had to see if it was too good to be true.

Arrived today...picked up quickly before work. First, it was shipped in plastic shipping bag! What??? It was fine inside. But.... 1941 price tag has F in front of style number....the creed does not. I had to go to work but felt something was different besides that. Well... the one I got at Coach had brass hardware on most and black copper on the corner clips etc. The one from 6pm is reversed. Is this super odd??? Making differences to other retailer versions?

 

[shillinggirl88]

Pics

 

[momtok]

I've got an interesting one for you.

Maybe it serves me for trying to play Coach's games with pricing etc. But this is really putting a bad taste in my mouth.

Last week I posted 6pm had the Cooper Carryall in saddle deeply discounted when Coach had been claiming essentially sold out. I couldn't help myself and had to see if it was too good to be true.

Arrived today...picked up quickly before work. First, it was shipped in plastic shipping bag! What??? It was fine inside. But.... 1941 price tag has F in front of style number....the creed does not. I had to go to work but felt something was different besides that. Well... the one I got at Coach had brass hardware on most and black copper on the corner clips etc. The one from 6pm is reversed. Is this super odd??? Making differences to other retailer versions?

Well the price tag being switched to an F price tag (but no F on creed) makes it sound like they were being pro-active and "prepping" the bag for shipment to the outlets. (Yes, I know, I'm stating the obvious.) But you're saying the hardware colors are switched? That *is* odd.
Maybe the factory that produced it made a goof and made some with switched hardware, and they were deemed as "goofs" and channeled to 6pm or for outlet??? It's a guess at least?

Another thing I've noticed this last year or so, is that some items, that were supposed to be Macy's/Bloomie's/etc exclusives, have ended up on the online outlet sale later in the season. As if they either never made it to Macy's/Bloomie's/etc, or those dept. stores actually sent them back to Coach and Coach then funneled them through the outlet system (online and/or brick and mortar). I don't remember that happening much in the past either. Although I don't regularly go to outlets, so maybe I just never noticed.

 

[shillinggirl88]

Well the price tag being switched to an F price tag (but no F on creed) makes it sound like they were being pro-active and "prepping" the bag for shipment to the outlets. (Yes, I know, I'm stating the obvious.) But you're saying the hardware colors are switched? That *is* odd.
Maybe the factory that produced it made a goof and made some with switched hardware, and they were deemed as "goofs" and channeled to 6pm or for outlet??? It's a guess at least?

Another thing I've noticed this last year or so, is that some items, that were supposed to be Macy's/Bloomie's/etc exclusives, have ended up on the online outlet sale later in the season. As if they either never made it to Macy's/Bloomie's/etc, or those dept. stores actually sent them back to Coach and Coach then funneled them through the outlet system (online and/or brick and mortar). I don't remember that happening much in the past either. Although I don't regularly go to outlets, so maybe I just never noticed.

Yep reversed! It is very odd. I know I am odd but the leather doesn't smell like the lovely 1941 leather of the other bags I have and have looked at.

Here is a couple pics of the reverse.

I don't know - I feel duped but I guess I was ordering to see what would show up. I would have preferred the original with a few marks.

 

[momtok]

Yep reversed! It is very odd. I know I am odd but the leather doesn't smell like the lovely 1941 leather of the other bags I have and have looked at.

Here is a couple pics of the reverse.

I don't know - I feel duped but I guess I was ordering to see what would show up. I would have preferred the original with a few marks.

Well, I know Coach used to also make some bags specifically for places like Marshall's/TJMaxx, Nordstrom Rack. In other words, instead of "made for Coach factory outlet, they were "made for discount department stores and department store outlets". Those used to have "Z" after the dash and before the style number. (That is correct ... I just checked my old notes, and yes, it was a "Z" instead of an "F".) ...... So maybe this is something like that? Maybe it's a new round of making for discount department stores? ...... Or maybe a hardware goof during manufacturing, which got them sent to 6pm and eventually outlets????

Coach and their riddles.