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I understand exactly what you are saying, but it's hard to juxtapose that with quotes from the CEO about "eradicating elitism" and "liking to do things that can be perceived as politically incorrect. If we are getting flak, we think we are doing something right."

If LV wanted to "eradicate elitism", there are other ways to do so.

Creating limited editions that are higher priced and often harder to obtain is pretty much the opposite of "eradicating elitism". I think it actually creates it and that seems to be exactly what they want, regardless of what they say.

I want to say that he's referring to this specific collection when he said "eradicating elitism". Probably from his point of view, to own a highly detailed replica of these artworks at $4000 is quite a bargain compare to the real ones. In the NYTimes article, they did mention the process of recreating these artworks onto the canvas to print on the bag, which I think is quite cool. Also, this collection is not hard to obtain at all. It's available to everyone who wishes to own one. It's not a limited release.
 
LV is stil a bit more accessible than some other luxury retailers, though. I live where there is no Celine and when I wanted one I couldn't even figure out how to buy one, LOL! LV at least has an e-commerce presence and heck they even have a store in unimpressive Florida town! (I'm not disagreeing with what you said, however.)

I hope I haven't given the impression that I dislike LV.

I have a closet full and am looking to add to my collection.

I just think it's funny how often I am told that something is extremely limited and that I have gotten the last one in the US and then the following week it's on the shelves.
 
I just think it's funny how often I am told that something is extremely limited and that I have gotten the last one in the US and then the following week it's on the shelves.

Don't get me wrong I KNOW how that feels like :biggrin::biggrin:

But as I said before, exclusivity is just an illusion. No one really knows how many pieces LV actually produced for their "Limited Release" collections, they just need to make the customer feels the exclusivity at the time of purchase. That's all they need to do.

Example: Browse the forum and see how many people refer to the Damier Azur Tahitienne as a limited edition piece? LV is good at their jobs and honestly people want to believe that it's a limited release. That's how some justify their purchases.
 
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I hope I haven't given the impression that I dislike LV.

I have a closet full and am looking to add to my collection.

I just think it's funny how often I am told that something is extremely limited and that I have gotten the last one in the US and then the following week it's on the shelves.

Not at all! I know I've seen @fabuleux chime in to remind people of the difference between seasonal and truly limited pieces (my terminology may be off) - but basically people thinking their V Neverfull (which I own) is super limited when it's not.
 
Probably from his point of view, to own a highly detailed replica of these artworks at $4000 is quite a bargain compare to the real ones.

You can buy a highly detailed replica of the Mona Lisa at almost any Museum shop for under $50.

And comparing these bags to the original Da Vinci masterpiece isn't logical.
 
But as I said before, exclusivity is just an illusion. No one really knows how many pieces LV actually produced for their "Limited Release" collections, they just need to make the customer feels the exclusivity at the time of purchase. That's all they need to do.

Example: Browse the forum and see how many people refer to the Damier Azur Tahitienne as a limited edition piece? LV is good at their jobs and honestly people want to believe that it's a limited release. That's how some justify their purchases.

I think what you have just posted is the very definition of elitism.

"I have something that is ridiculously expensive given the actual cost of materials and labor and I have been made to feel extremely lucky that I am one of the chosen few given the opportunity to purchase this item."

Let me give an example...I was interested in the orange leather Damier Keepall. My SA got one in and I got the speech about how hard these were to acquire. I came very close to buying it, but didn't. That orange bag (or it's twin) is still on the store shelf.

It's what LV excels at, so claiming that they are trying to "eradicate" it seems disingenuous.

Again...dont get me wrong. I have my name on a waitlist for a piece from the Fragment collection.

I know it's silly.....but I do it all the time. I see what they are doing and I still buy into it.
 
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It's what LV excels at, so claiming that they are trying to "eradicate" it seems disingenuous.

Again...dont get me wrong. I have my name on a waitlist for a piece from the Fragment collection.

I know it's silly.....but I do it all the time. I see what they are doing and I still buy into it.

I genuinely enjoy having this conversation with you and everyone here but it seems like the responses I was typing aren't even making sense to me anymore :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: so I'm going to give it more thought. I just got back from a HIIT work-out so I think I've reached my limit on brain-picking for the night :lol::lol::lol:.
 
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Sure.

Sell your product like most retailers. and make it available to anyone that wants it.

You can scan these boards any time and find a thread about how "common" the Neverful is and the question if others thinks it's a good investment.

Louis Vuitton is selling elitism at every turn. It's their stock in trade.

No sales, no discounts, items that are artificially "limited", astronomical pricing etc....these are all there to make you feel as if you have won some sort of prize by capturing the "last pochette metis" on the west coast etc.

There is even a thread asking if you carry LV for the "status". If there were not some elitism involved...would LV even have "status".

There was also a thread about LV being considered a "secretary's bag" in Asia. Apparently, some think there is not enough elitism.

Most LV products are available to anyone with the cash to pay for it.

I can call any store and ask about any in stock product and purchase it.

I wouldn't call the pricing 'astronomical' either, especially when compared to other designer bags.
 
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While I do consider them saying they're trying to "eradicate elitism" a stretch, I think I understand what they mean. We see people claiming to know exactly what art is (I'm speaking in general, not specifically about what happened on this thread), and that art is not for the masses, these kinds of things. This is elitism -- not strictly in the monetary sense, but in the intellectual sense. I'll give an example. I am into contemporary erudite music. I enjoy John Cage, György Ligeti, Iannis Xenakis, amongst others. I only know one or two more people who appreciate their experimental work, but I know quite a few who consider me a music nerd for liking them. I just don't think that's the case. To me, they are not more or less artistic than System of a Down, for example, a band that has composed some of the best lyrics I've ever read and that is adored by millions (including me). People who say SOAD is not art because so many people love them, but who say that contemporary erudite music is art because it's difficult to understand and because not so many people like it are elitist. And they're most likely the same type of people who think paintings belong in museums, not on bags, and that if you want to see the Mona Lisa, you'd better have the money to fly to Paris.
I don't think that LV is trying to "eradicate elitism" by any stretch in the monetary sense (even though they are MUCH cheaper than some other luxury brands), they sure are trying to make people think about this concept in the intellectual sense, and also because the bags are available to anyone willing to pay their price. It's not like what Hermès does to people who are trying to buy a Birkin, for example.
 
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