Kendall and Kylie Jenner

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AECornell said:
An opinion and a judgement are two different things IMO. I understand it's a gossip thread. That's the go-to response in all these treads if you question everyone's negativity. My "opinion" is that there is a lot of judgment from people that she is a terrible model and how bad of a job she's doing, when I can almost guarantee 99% of the people in this thread have never modeled runway. No one is perfect and she's not a superhuman.

The rest of her family is a hot mess and I really like that she has branched out more on her own. I don't doubt her family and connections are the reason she's popular in the modeling world, but I think she is doing a fantastic job. She has real high end campaigns and isn't modeling jewelry in a Walmart ad.
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AECornell said:
I'm talking about the judgment of her runway. Everyone is saying how terrible she is without having the experience in the same way. It's always easy to say how badly someone does at something when you've never had the experience, because you don't have any idea what it takes.

I'm totally over this conversation. I really don't feel the need to justify myself in my reaction to the "opinions" in this thread. God forbid someone think a different way around here.
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It's fine to think differently but people can think she does a terrible job on the runway without having been on the runway themselves just like people can think she does a good job without having been on the runway themselves, that was my point.

My main issue isn't her runway anyways it's her print. I find her print work is boring and uninspired. That's my opinion.
 
#10,457
AECornell said:
An opinion and a judgement are two different things IMO. I understand it's a gossip thread. That's the go-to response in all these treads if you question everyone's negativity. My "opinion" is that there is a lot of judgment from people that she is a terrible model and how bad of a job she's doing, when I can almost guarantee 99% of the people in this thread have never modeled runway. No one is perfect and she's not a superhuman.

The rest of her family is a hot mess and I really like that she has branched out more on her own. I don't doubt her family and connections are the reason she's popular in the modeling world, but I think she is doing a fantastic job. She has real high end campaigns and isn't modeling jewelry in a Walmart ad.
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Again, all due to her family. On her own she has no "out of ordinary" talents nor trained skills. This seems to be what most people are saying when they says she's bad at what she's doing.
 
#10,458
AECornell said:
I'm talking about the judgment of her runway. Everyone is saying how terrible she is without having the experience in the same way. It's always easy to say how badly someone does at something when you've never had the experience, because you don't have any idea what it takes.

I'm totally over this conversation. I really don't feel the need to justify myself in my reaction to the "opinions" in this thread. God forbid someone think a different way around here.
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You're judging! You're doing the same thing to posters that they're doing to the subject at hand. The same way you don't like the negativity and posters harping on Kendall, posters don't want to be told what to type.

You can think a certain way, but don't attack someone for their opinion by saying they basically don't know what they're talking about because they've never done it and not expect to get you a$$ handed to you. Sh!t, I don't have to be a phlebotomist to know that some can't draw blood to save their lives.
 
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Nope, not judging anyone here. Again, I don't feel the need to explain or defend myself, but I guess I need to continue. I never said people here were bad people or ignorant or any other descriptor in my post. That would have been a judgment. I was saying that it doesn't make sense to me that people without experience in modeling would have such strong "opinions" towards her. And I never told anyone what to say. Not sure where you got that. And I never attacked anyone. Can't find that either.

michie said:
You're judging! You're doing the same thing to posters that they're doing to the subject at hand. The same way you don't like the negativity and posters harping on Kendall, posters don't want to be told what to type.

You can think a certain way, but don't attack someone for their opinion by saying they basically don't know what they're talking about because they've never done it and not expect to get you a$$ handed to you. Sh!t, I don't have to be a phlebotomist to know that some can't draw blood to save their lives.
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Yeah AECornell, you can't post anything in defense of the Kardashian/Jenners. It gets people in a tizzy and they come back with its a gossip thread, what do you expect.

I like Kendall's print work and I think she does a great job there.

After seeing a video of her walk, in comparison to the other models in the show, she stomped and wasn't gliding like the others. Not a bad thing, some models have more distinct walks. But if designers didn't like her, they wouldn't continue to book her for shows regardless of her family name.
 
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When you like someone you categorize their difference as unique, bold, creative . When you don't like someone you categorize their difference as weird, strange or wrong technique. Funny.....
You can say people that have not gone to Med school or become a doctor shouldn't judge and should give the doctor a break when he kills you due to lack of knowledge and technique?
 
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Dallas_Girl said:
Yeah AECornell, you can't post anything in defense of the Kardashian/Jenners. It gets people in a tizzy and they come back with its a gossip thread, what do you expect.

I like Kendall's print work and I think she does a great job there.

After seeing a video of her walk, in comparison to the other models in the show, she stomped and wasn't gliding like the others. Not a bad thing, some models have more distinct walks. But if designers didn't like her, they wouldn't continue to book her for shows regardless of her family name.
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She could have just said she likes Kendall's work without saying people that had the opposite opinion as her shouldn't judge. It would be the same as other people telling her she has no say for Kendall is good due lack of professional training herself.
 
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AECornell said:
I'm talking about the judgment of her runway. Everyone is saying how terrible she is without having the experience in the same way. It's always easy to say how badly someone does at something when you've never had the experience, because you don't have any idea what it takes.

I'm totally over this conversation. I really don't feel the need to justify myself in my reaction to the "opinions" in this thread. God forbid someone think a different way around here.
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I agree with you on the "it's just my opinion" thing... Having a clear opinion doesn't mean that's the end of a debate is it? Some seem to take it that way in here.

Also, I understand how you differentiated between having an opinion and being judgmental, but that's a very difficult distinction to make - all opinions have a type of judgment in it, right? There must be a fine line between the two somewhere, but it's nearly impossible to draw it.
 
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FreeSpirit71 said:
I was more discussing their walk, actually, in comparison to Kendall and Gigi's distinct lack of game in that area.

Linda and Naomi are just prime examples. But designers normally (unless you have a famous family name that draws attention) require a model to really sell their clothes and the walk is a huge component of that IMO
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dangerouscurves said:
I wouldn't actually compare the walk of Naomi and Linda to Gigi or Kendall. Just like rap/hip-hop, their walk are old-school. If you watch the walk of Anna Selezneva or Bruna Tenorio, that's how models nowadays should walk!
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Ah, yes. It's a sign of the times. In the 90s it seems like models were expected to be "fierce" and strut their stuff, and now they are expected to be subdued in a way. I wouldn't say one is better than the other per se, but I do prefer the latter. Perhaps because I grew up with that.
 
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bunnyr said:
She could have just said she likes Kendall's work without saying people that had the opposite opinion as her shouldn't judge. It would be the same as other people telling her she has no say for Kendall is good due lack of professional training herself.
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Yes I understand that. And you don't have to be a professional to have an opinion.

I've seen it from both sides though. I've had others try to discredit my opinion because they didn't agree with it in more than one occasion. Regardless of what your stance is, you shouldn't be attacked for it or have others make you defend it. There seems to be a lack of acceptance for differing opinions. I will admit to, that I have lashed out when others have attacked my opinion. Wasn't right of me, but I understand where she is coming from.
 
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Dallas_Girl said:
Yes I understand that. And you don't have to be a professional to have an opinion.

I've seen it from both sides though. I've had others try to discredit my opinion because they didn't agree with it in more than one occasion. Regardless of what your stance is, you shouldn't be attacked for it or have others make you defend it. There seems to be a lack of acceptance for differing opinions. I will admit to, that I have lashed out when others have attacked my opinion. Wasn't right of me, but I understand where she is coming from.
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Sorry but when you accuse people who have a differing opinion of you as being judgemental and then claim they do not have enough professional expierence to think what they think then you really need to anticipate a response, especially when you lack the professional expierence yourself.

Anyways back to Kendall I guess to look at bright side atleast she has a real job unlike the rest of them. I mean Khloe just goes to the gym, Kim just takes photos of herself in tight clothes rolling around in dirt, Kylie stages photoshoots all day by the pool and Kourtney well I don't know what Kourtney does.
 
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