Johnny Depp

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FreeSpirit71 said:
Continued from People Magazine 1994
I posted that NOT to slam him , but to counter all this stuff about Johnny is such a nice guy. He may be, he may be a great friend. But he has a dark side. Whether or not it manifested the way Amber says it did, will have to be proved. But I'm not looking at the guy with rose coloured glasses either.
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^I'd love to know how it's going to be proved.

For some simply accusing someone constitutes enough proof and in this case Amber has a photo and two eye witness accounts of one incident. Amber must know what she's up against, as others have pointed out it's a detriment to her career to accuse such a big box office star, I assume it's not something you go into lightly (unless she's a highly reactive, emotional, similarly narcissistic person). I assume she must have more evidence of past abuse if she's going up against Depp's millions and if she has no concrete evidence that doesn't mean that nothing happened or that she's lying... in fact I'd be more inclined to believe her if there is no evidence, if she's been accruing evidence I'd wonder if it was a setup. Also if Depp fights it and maintains his innocence he has to tread a minefield of public opinion and press digging into his life.. not exactly a win either.

When it comes to people's relationships behind closed doors anything is possible and I don't see how things are going to be proved or clarified... I just see one big mess.

JD is so private and guarded we know almost zero about him, anything is possible and his public image is such that he doesn't come across as a threatening guy, there's something quite feminine, almost comical about him.

The main thing we do know is how he appears in public which of late was not looking good.. that recent incident of public drunkenness at the award show was not funny. He's also been earning a ridiculous amount of money the last decade of so, you can build up all sorts unhealthy defences and gather all sorts of enablers to you when you're that rich and insulated.

I sort of find this story sad more than anything else. He's not a predator like Cosby and he's not a racist, sexist pig like Mel Gibson (that we know of). Whatever the situation it hasn't looked like Depp's life has been on a good track the last number of years.


No matter the outcome I think this will affect Depp's career, which has been in the doll drums for a while, it's just another thing that confirms Depp is sad, out of touch and in likely need of intervention.
 
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@Singra It looks like Amber will call witnesses, most interesting will be those in JD's security team.

But yes this is a mess, and you have to wonder how much the $$$ are affecting/will affect the truth on both sides - and not just for the main players.
 
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Thanks for the article, Free! I agree that Johnny may be a great friend and seems like a genuinely nice person but I have to be objective about this case because I could argue that Depp has his past and who knows what goes behind closed doors, and I could also argue that Amber Heard is a gold digger, attention seeking, cold hearted person but evidence supports both sides, so this needs a two sided perspective.
There's something not quite right, I know. Her story may be shady but if she is lying, it will be such a shame. I just feel very sorry for both of them.
 
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Thank you for posting that article, FreeSpirit. I hope everyone who is defending him reads the whole thing. Since it was written 22 years ago it contains a lot of information that has been scrubbed clean from his publicity record and long forgotten. It shows many instances of unstable, and occasionally violent, behavior that counterbalances his nicer side. I don't consider that statement from his first wife to mean much either. Johnny was only 20 years old when he married her and she was older at 25. He was 22 when they divorced. That marriage was too short and too long ago to prove anything.

Although it isn't anywhere near the most disturbing thing in the article, it doesn't surprise me at all to find out that he's a cutter. He probably started doing it as a teenager and continued into adulthood. That's certainly a symptom of mental and emotional issues.

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His arms bear rows of scars from self-inflicted knife wounds, each one commemorating what Depp considers an important life event. "I have," he once explained, "a funny relationship with my body.... Ah, it sounds so stupid, but for me there shouldn't be any halfway." [/B]
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FreeSpirit71 said:
This is from a poster on Celebitchy (GingerNYC):it puts the timeline on better perspective.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like this is the timeline of events:
1- JD’s mom dies
2- JD &and AH have altercation. AH takes pictures.
3- (last Friday) Amber files papers to request a hearing on the temp restraining order. Included in those papers are these allegations as well as pictures. At this point these papers are not yet public record.
4- (last weekend) JD offers AH settlement money so as to end any court proceedings.
5- (Monday) AH files for divorce, requesting spousal support.
6- JD files response. Requests that no support be granted.
7- (today) hearing on TRO. judge reviews AH’s papers, finds in favor of AH, and grants TREO. after hearing all papers become part of the public record.

So what that seems to mean is that he offered her money last weekend if she would stop the hearing process and/or not file divorce papers. And she obviously said no. Now what kind of gold digger is that? She didn’t even give Disney time to figure out how much they would kick in! She would know that she needed more than 2 days to get her best offer out of them.
It seems far more likely to me that he hit her, she didn’t feel safe and requested the TRO, JD found out about the hearing and tried to buy her off, she turned down his offer of money and instead spent the weekend with her att’y getting papers ready, then she filed for divorce on Monday. THAT scenario makes the most sense to me.
As to the request for spousal support, two things are important: first, that the atty included the sp spt request as part of the 1st filing because you must request it in those papers or you are barred from ever requesting it. So the atty throws in everything and the kitchen sink so as to avoid being precluded at a later time. That way it doesn’t matter what his strategy is or what happens down the road because you’ve addressed it. Also, it’s good for negotiating purposes. You are giving yourself something to throw out and act like by doing so you are compromising. Second, she may well be anticipating his statements and the resulting backlash and wants to be sure that she gets some money even if she completely loses her career as a result. Either is fair and both are smart moves. Neither is just because she is a gold digger.

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A longtime poster on CB who is in family law agreed with this assessment.
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I am no fan of JD or AH. If he hit her, he is an a$$, and if she falsly accuses him of doing so, many other women will have to suffer from it, because people will not believe that abuse happens more often than we all think.

Either way, I have doubts that the truth will ever come to light. They both have a PR machine working overtime.
 
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ByeKitty said:
People keep going on about her being a gold digger and all, which I'm sure she is, but why not mention that this is actually a very risky move for her? It could hurt her career loads, because in Hollywood it seems like people prefer sticking up for the men, especially if they're generally loved - which Johnny is. I can already see some people in this thread argue in that direction: like what exactly about her dress comes across as ingenuine?!
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I agree with this too. I stated a few pages ago that it takes courage to take one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, refuse his settlement money and stand up for her integrity instead.

And the comments about her dress seeming ingenuine - how else is she supposed to have dressed to court?! No matter what she had worn she would have been picked apart for wearing it.
 
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All I'm reading is that he likes to "re-decorate" hotel rooms. :p
But seriously, again, the cutting and drug abuse for me is a sign of self-harm and not directed outwardly. Given how close he was with his mother and she basically raised him alone there's a history of men who have been raised by single mums to have more respect for women than other. He might be aggressive, destructive and abusing all kinds of substances but that doesn't mean he'd hit a woman. To drag out his past to prove a point is exactly what Amber is trying to do. It totally neglects that he might have changed.
And again, where was his violent behaviour in his 14 years relationship with Vanessa? Did he suddenly turn it off? Because she surely wouldn't take sh*t from him.

But we'll probably not get told the entire story anyway.
 
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You don't have to have a history of abusing women to abuse just one woman. And I'm not talking about only these two BTW.

I think these two had a very, very toxic relationship and brought out the absolute worst in each other, regardless of how it ended.
 
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