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AEGIS said:
i am pretty certain no one said anything about CHINESE PEOPLE being inferior. in fact, i am not sure how you made such a logical leap. products made in China can sometimes be inferior due to the manufacturing costs and lessened/lax government regulations. you can get away with much much more.

...and actually China has not VOLUNTEERED to make things but they woo investors with tales of low costs and increased profits like all countries do;) ..so in a way you can say they actually have volunteered bc they want to increase their countries economy.
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So what did you mean by saying eww????

It's not volunteer...it's mutual. So stop slapping on someone's face and say they ask for it.

Pls don't build your superiority complex on the expense on other who are less fortunate.
 
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Brigitte031 said:
I don't really understand it either. I am not opposed to products made in China or anywhere. While yes the working conditions are not the best WHEN COMPARED to working conditions in the US or elsewhere, these factories are still providing jobs for people in still-developing countries. Many times those low wages we are so shocked by that these workers earn is higher than that countries national average wage! I don't agree with it or like it, but even the US used child labor "back in the day" to become more financially successful and when the country developed, child labor stopped. I don't mean to get all political but yes Juneping you're so right. There's no reason to say "eww" to made in China. Chinese workers are regular people too and having someone Chinese or someone from Portugal making my shoes doesn't bother me - same if it were an American.

If the quality of the shoe appeals to me, I will keep it, even if someone Chinese made it.
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thank you!!
when something was made in china, it's just ppl always disgusted by "made in china" but never question the "something"....i was offended.
i love IM, this forum is one place i come to share my passion...i just really don't need that kind of condescending judgmental posts to have no regard to other ppl's feeling. i am pretty sure americans wouldn't appreciate when someone bash amercian cars.
 
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ditto to Juneping. There is no reason to say "eww" to any product made in china, it infers a condescending judgements to the chinese workers who make the product, also insulted the ones who already wear IM sneakers that are "made in china". yes all the developed countries all went through the sweatshop phases in their history, it's bad but it's also supply and demand and it's what capitalism is all about. The brands who decide to move their production lines should shoulder more of the blame i think if anything. They should enforce stronger product control or better train the workers.
 
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juneping said:
So what did you mean by saying eww????

It's not volunteer...it's mutual. So stop slapping on someone's face and say they ask for it.

Pls don't build your superiority complex on the expense on other who are less fortunate.
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Wow. You just created your own narrative from 5 words.

You are 100% incorrect and simply want to infer something negative about a PEOPLE and not a PRODUCTION & BUSINESS PROCESS especially in light of how luxury brands build their image. They suck consumers in with tales of "heritage" and "tradition" and the "good old days of luxury" and "artisinal crafts that are created, harnessed and nourished in their countries." This is what consumers buy. So yeah I think it's incredibly exploitative of not only consumers but also workers. The elitism you are claiming I have, is exactly what luxury brands sell and their consumers buy into.

And it is especially "Eww" in my opinion to pay someone so little, and yet charge your customers so much which is all my statement said. it did not say "eww..the chinese suck."

Do not preach to me about a superiority complex bc guess what? I was born in a third world country and have relatives who work in sweatshops. So you can stop all of this "they're bringing jobs to these nations" capitalism garbage that you have apparently consumed but have put no nuanced thought into. I have seen in it, and it is not pretty. The reason why so many companies move abroad is to escape liability and responsibility in their host countries on how they treat their workers. I expect it from Walmart not from a high end brand that markets themselves as luxury. What pray tell is luxurious about sweat shop production?

This is about the effects of a system that puts profits over people and that is what my statement is about ok? thanks.
 
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Brigitte031 said:
I don't really understand it either. I am not opposed to products made in China or anywhere. While yes the working conditions are not the best WHEN COMPARED to working conditions in the US or elsewhere, these factories are still providing jobs for people in still-developing countries. Many times those low wages we are so shocked by that these workers earn is higher than that countries national average wage! I don't agree with it or like it, but even the US used child labor "back in the day" to become more financially successful and when the country developed, child labor stopped. I don't mean to get all political but yes Juneping you're so right. There's no reason to say "eww" to made in China. Chinese workers are regular people too and having someone Chinese or someone from Portugal making my shoes doesn't bother me - same if it were an American.

If the quality of the shoe appeals to me, I will keep it, even if someone Chinese made it.
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they also used slavery if we're going to justify economic growth at the expense of human rights...since you think it's ok and all
 
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AEGIS said:
Wow. You just created your own narrative from 5 words.

You are 100% incorrect and simply want to infer something negative about a PEOPLE and not a PRODUCTION & BUSINESS PROCESS especially in light of how luxury brands build their image. They suck consumers in with tales of "heritage" and "tradition" and the "good old days of luxury" and "artisinal crafts that are created, harnessed and nourished in their countries." This is what consumers buy. So yeah I think it's incredibly exploitative of not only consumers but also workers. The elitism you are claiming I have, is exactly what luxury brands sell and their consumers buy into.

And it is especially "Eww" in my opinion to pay someone so little, and yet charge your customers so much which is all my statement said. it did not say "eww..the chinese suck."

Do not preach to me about a superiority complex bc guess what? I was born in a third world country and have relatives who work in sweatshops. So you can stop all of this "they're bringing jobs to these nations" capitalism garbage that you have apparently consumed but have put no nuanced thought into. I have seen in it, and it is not pretty. The reason why so many companies move abroad is to escape liability and responsibility in their host countries on how they treat their workers. I expect it from Walmart not from a high end brand that markets themselves as luxury. What pray tell is luxurious about sweat shop production?

This is about the effects of a system that puts profits over people and that is what my statement is about ok? thanks.
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your orig post did not come off that way...it was condescening the way i read it and few other read it.

i have no power to change the world. whatever happening in third world countries, i have no control over it. whatever you feel about luxury market -- they aim to make money.....so whatever stuff made in 3rd world country....why the 3rd world country get a bad name?

people need to be fed before any ideologies....
 
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Star86doll said:
Does Bekket size runs big? I'm EU 39, would I get them FR 39 or 40? :thinkin:
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I wear a fr size 37 in the the f/w 11 dickers and s/s 11 Bobbys. In the willows I wear fr size 38 with room for a sock and wiggle room. I tried on the Gris bekkets in fr size 38 (written on the box) at Barneys and they felt, to me, much smaller then my Willows.

If I purchased the bekkets, I would go with the fr sz 38. They felt smaller then the willows, but still felt nice with a thin sock. Plus they would have stretched a bit with use. I do not think they run big! I felt the fr sz 37 was too tight for me. But others find they felt good.

My USA size is 6.5-7 based on brand. I am a true 6.5 in length but due to wide feet I feel more comfortable in a USA 7.

Wait for others to chime in but I think if you are a true EU 39 then go for a fr 40.
 
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Just received my Bazils today and I am so so disappointed.... :sad: The shoes are GORGEOUS. The quality is amazing and I just love the super soft suede (I want to keep petting them, lol). The lizard print is subtle but makes them just special.

HOWEVER, I found this pair to run very small. I've been mainly an IM Dicker boot fan, so this would be my first pair of IM sneakers, but in the 5 boots I've owned I've always been a 40. This was at least 1/2 size too small. My feet are narrow so I am speaking only of length.

Is everyone else finding they run small???

I found this pair only by coincidence on NAP, so I don't know if I'll be able to find another pair, or if 41 might be too large anyway.
 
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