Influencers & VCA

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I have been a quiet observer of the VCA threads. I played with the idea of buying my first VCA piece.

Maybe I see the Monica situation a little differently because I’m not a customer yet but I found the manager of that VCA boutique horrible and it made me rethink buying my first piece. I own a small business and I just think that it was handled poorly. If monica was a regular customer she would have never had that outcome and that’s very sad. i don’t think a brand should expect a customer to keep a piece that is clearly not up to company standards. I just thought to myself, what if that was me? I would have been devastated. It’s a lot of money.

I had a similar experience with dior once, a SA gaslighting me trying to say it was my fault the item clearly had defects that shouldn’t be there.

Even my small business, when something happens I will take full accountability and I make no way near the profits a huge brand like VCA makes. There is no discussion with a customer, I want them to be happy especially when it’s clear something isn’t right.

Luxury to me is a great poduct and great customer service. I think brands can be glad people are choosing their products since there are many competitors and we all know the economy isn’t good at the moment. You want to feel appreciated and welcomed at boutiques.
I agree. The part that kills me is they could have easily absorbed the cost of replacing her bracelet (let’s be honest, it would have been a write off for them anyway) instead of all of the back and forth. I get the influencer was a bit much with the whining on social media but she’s got a following and was clearly annoyed. She was prob very excited about the bracelet and had very high expectations.

Fwiw, I saw her promoting some vca inspired brand on her IG.
 

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I agree. The part that kills me is they could have easily absorbed the cost of replacing her bracelet (let’s be honest, it would have been a write off for them anyway) instead of all of the back and forth. I get the influencer was a bit much with the whining on social media but she’s got a following and was clearly annoyed. She was prob very excited about the bracelet and had very high expectations.

Fwiw, I saw her promoting some vca inspired brand on her IG.
Exactly! I don’t blame her because hell if I got a large following and a brand did that to me I would have probably did the same thing. However, it never had to go this far. I expect excellence from these houses and every customer should have gotten a great treatment from them no matter who you are. It could happen to all of us and also them saying they don’t have a warranty at all on their jewelry is a little insane to me.
 
And I want to add that I HATE when companies favor Influencers. That shouldn’t be a thing. But ridiculous to see that that’s apparently the only way to get the treatment ANY customer deserves in Luxury Boutiques. Public outrage shouldn’t have been the deciding factor in VCA’s decision to give her a refund. We would have all deserved one.
Thank you for chiming in. As an owner of a small business I am very interested in your thoughts. It’s a sign of your care and commitment to your customer that you want them to be happy. And I’m sure you would never try to gaslight your customers into making them believe that they’re blind. But here’s the thing. Jewelry does tarnish. And you don’t know what a customer has exposed her jewlery to if she has not taken it off in two months. Just because something is expensive doesn’t mean that you can abuse it. If I buy a Picasso and hang it where the sun hits it all day and where little kids can put dirty fingers on it, can I go get a refund if it fades or gets damaged? I find it hard to be realistic about saying that just because a piece of jewelry is expensive it should be wear proof. In fact some of the most expensive jewelry is extremely delicate. How do you as a business owner feel when people bring back pieces that are expensive and should be treated with care and based on its condition you know that it has not been? Do you just suck it up, eat the loss and let them return it just to keep them happy even if it’s not fair to you? As a small business owner it must be harder. Do you have to eat a lot of losses from unreasonable customers? There is a right and wrong here isn’t there? How can she prove that she DIDN’T do something to damage it? She wore it 24/7 for two months. I ask this sincerely. Is it fair that a company is responsible for what they do not know just because their products are expensive? Did the company provide a written warranty upon sale? In fact VCA does just the opposite. They tell you their pieces are delicate right on the website. Based on reality and facts, what is the right and fair outcome and why?
 
Thank you for chiming in. As an owner of a small business I am very interested in your thoughts. It’s a sign of your care and commitment to your customer that you want them to be happy. And I’m sure you would never try to gaslight your customers into making them believe that they’re blind. But here’s the thing. Jewelry does tarnish. And you don’t know what a customer has exposed her jewlery to if she has not taken it off in two months. Just because something is expensive doesn’t mean that you can abuse it. If I buy a Picasso and hang it where the sun hits it all day and where little kids can put dirty fingers on it, can I go get a refund if it fades or gets damaged? I find it hard to be realistic about saying that just because a piece of jewelry is expensive it should be wear proof. In fact some of the most expensive jewelry is extremely delicate. How do you as a business owner feel when people bring back pieces that are expensive and treated with care and based on its condition you know that it has not been? Do you just suck it up, eat the loss and let them return it just to keep them happy? There is a right and wrong here isn’t there? How can she prove that she DIDN’T do something to damage it? She wore it 24/7 for two months. I ask this sincerely. Is it fair that a company is responsible for what they do not know just because their presents expensive? Did the company provide a written warranty upon sale? In fact VCA does just the opposite. They tell you their pieces are delicate right on the website. Based on reality and facts, what is the right and fair outcome and why?
Interesting take, however I would argue that well mixed materials wouldn’t look like that after only 6 months even if you drench yourself with oil, lotion or perfume. Also the fact that many people don’t have that issue with their VCA pieces strengthen my assumption that it was clear also to the SA’s something is wrong. We are not talking about the precious stone pieces. But what really bothers me is the point where they sent it in to polish. She picked it up and it was still the same. The manager gaslighting her and telling her it’s only the reflection of your finger? Come on. And asked her if she was wearing body lotion that day. As if it tarnishes that fast again. I think it’s clear that the metals weren’t mixed well. Like I said many people don’t experience this issue and I don’t think a lot of people particularly baby their solid gold pieces. That speaks for the brand, so I would never accept a customer walking around with a piece of jewelry from my brand that’s not up to par with company standards. Something was clearly off and yes I would have at least exchanged it as a small business.
 
Plus a brand that’s produces in house their own pieces have huuuuge profil margins. If the piece is excellent I don’t mind at all. Of course we all want to buy into the brand, the history but also their experience and quality of their pieces. That’s why we choose luxury and well known brands over others. I’m a sucker for a brand. I happily pay whatever if it’s stunning and well made. However we can’t kid ourselves and think that if something happens and they exchange the company would feel that in their numbers. It’s like pennies to them. I hear from a lot of people they never experienced that and that’s good so what’s the fuss if something happens every now and then to simply exchange?
 
Are you American? Gov jobs vary a lot by country and municipality. But In the US a public servant using social media to showcase designer is very frowned upon given tax payers fund salaries and there is a lot of discourse around gov waste right now. I support federal state and local employees fully, but an IG full of flexing VCA at this time in the United States is really bad for the cause esp as many of us are fighting to keep these gov employees around. OP also knows this influencer personally.
IMO an employee of the government is free to send their salary they earned anyway they choose. What’s frowned upon is someone receiving government perks/ assistance who then showcases what some perceive to be a lavish lifestyle. These are two very different things. Also the implications that a certain career prohibits one from being able to afford and wear certain items is absurd. Individuals prioritize what’s important to display on SM accordingly. It’s not flexing when it’s your lifestyle.
 
Interesting take, however I would argue that well mixed materials wouldn’t look like that after only 6 months even if you drench yourself with oil, lotion or perfume. Also the fact that many people don’t have that issue with their VCA pieces strengthen my assumption that it was clear also to the SA’s something is wrong. We are not talking about the precious stone pieces. But what really bothers me is the point where they sent it in to polish. She picked it up and it was still the same. The manager gaslighting her and telling her it’s only the reflection of your finger? Come on. And asked her if she was wearing body lotion that day. As if it tarnishes that fast again. I think it’s clear that the metals weren’t mixed well. Like I said many people don’t experience this issue and I don’t think a lot of people particularly baby their solid gold pieces. That speaks for the brand, so I would never accept a customer walking around with a piece of jewelry from my brand that’s not up to par with company standards. Something was clearly off and yes I would have at least exchanged it as a small business.
The website and aftercare clearly state to avoid certain things. It’s an individuals choice to heed that however when issues arise accountability of not following the rules should be acknowledged. Many individuals here have acknowledged issues with certain items and how VCA handled it. Often times they pay the repair replacement fee and move one. The intent to share the experience is not to bash VCA but to raise awareness that a piece might be tad bit more delicate and showcases wear and tear differently. Do we keep buying? ….absolutely because true jewelry enthusiasts understand that things happen and let’s be honest VCA always has something else to acquire.
 
Interesting take, however I would argue that well mixed materials wouldn’t look like that after only 6 months even if you drench yourself with oil, lotion or perfume. Also the fact that many people don’t have that issue with their VCA pieces strengthen my assumption that it was clear also to the SA’s something is wrong. We are not talking about the precious stone pieces. But what really bothers me is the point where they sent it in to polish. She picked it up and it was still the same. The manager gaslighting her and telling her it’s only the reflection of your finger? Come on. And asked her if she was wearing body lotion that day. As if it tarnishes that fast again. I think it’s clear that the metals weren’t mixed well. Like I said many people don’t experience this issue and I don’t think a lot of people particularly baby their solid gold pieces. That speaks for the brand, so I would never accept a customer walking around with a piece of jewelry from my brand that’s not up to par with company standards. Something was clearly off and yes I would have at least exchanged it as a small business.
damage like that appearing in the center area of the middle motif only, is not consistent with tarnish/patina. a well mixed metal can corrode when exposed to certain chemicals like bleach, acetone, or maybe even burned by the side of a hot pot while cooking. we were not with her 24/7 for those two months that she wore it.

it has also been discussed here that the middle motif will usually end up dangling at the bottom while the clasp ends up on-top of the wrist.
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The website and aftercare clearly state to avoid certain things. It’s an individuals choice to heed that however when issues arise accountability of not following the rules should be acknowledged. Many individuals here have acknowledged issues with certain items and how VCA handled it. Often times they pay the repair replacement fee and move one. The intent to share the experience is not to bash VCA but to raise awareness that a piece might be tad bit more delicate and showcases wear and tear differently. Do we keep buying? ….absolutely because true jewelry enthusiasts understand that things happen and let’s be honest VCA always has something else to acquire.
That’s completely fine and as I stated I wanted to start a van cleef collection this is just my opinion as an outside viewer.
 
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Plus a brand that’s produces in house their own pieces have huuuuge profil margins. If the piece is excellent I don’t mind at all. Of course we all want to buy into the brand, the history but also their experience and quality of their pieces. That’s why we choose luxury and well known brands over others. I’m a sucker for a brand. I happily pay whatever if it’s stunning and well made. However we can’t kid ourselves and think that if something happens and they exchange the company would feel that in their numbers. It’s like pennies to them. I hear from a lot of people they never experienced that and that’s good so what’s the fuss if something happens every now and then to simply exchange?
That is all true. Big company. They make lots of money. And if that’s the only consideration I totally agree with you. But I also consider reasonableness regardless of size of company, a small independent brand and a large conglomerate. I’m not talking about big tobacco that used to market to children. But VCA explicitly says their products are delicate and provides written instructions for care. I’m more talking about the issue of personal responsibility and self awareness. If she had said, “It could have been me. Maybe I exposed my piece to some chemical, but I was hoping even if I did this would not happen.” Taking that approach is more reasonable. Maybe if she sat down and thought about where was she, what was she doing, where did she put her hands, and then come back and say “I did not expose it to any chemicals.” I would understand her position more.
I have a Tiffany soleste halo and everyone knows you shouldn’t put pave pieces into an ultra sonic. I seldom wear this ring so I thought “I haven’t bashed it around. It should be fine. It’s Tiffany.” Lo and behold guess what I found at the bottom of my machine. A teeeny tiny little dust particle of a diamond. I paid over $200 to get that little sucker reset. Completely my fault for ignoring instructions and hoping for the best. Mind you have some extremely pave delicate pieces from non-Tiffany makers, hand forget platinum pieces that I put into my ultrasonics. And I fully admit I put my VCA pave pieces into the ultrasonic 4-5 times a year. No issues. But if something fell out. Guess what. My fault, still. They’re expensive but not indestructible. With regard to the issue of tarnish, we’ve had that discussion in another thread. But scientifically tarnish is a real thing. But I am actually very interested in comparing my own older pieces so I will post pics next week when I’m not as slammed at work. Please don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not attacking you. I would like to have a meaningful discussion about the bigger picture of this situation and the chemical realities of materials science. Are there any chemists or engineers out there?
 
Interesting take, however I would argue that well mixed materials wouldn’t look like that after only 6 months even if you drench yourself with oil, lotion or perfume. Also the fact that many people don’t have that issue with their VCA pieces strengthen my assumption that it was clear also to the SA’s something is wrong. We are not talking about the precious stone pieces. But what really bothers me is the point where they sent it in to polish. She picked it up and it was still the same. The manager gaslighting her and telling her it’s only the reflection of your finger? Come on. And asked her if she was wearing body lotion that day. As if it tarnishes that fast again. I think it’s clear that the metals weren’t mixed well. Like I said many people don’t experience this issue and I don’t think a lot of people particularly baby their solid gold pieces. That speaks for the brand, so I would never accept a customer walking around with a piece of jewelry from my brand that’s not up to par with company standards. Something was clearly off and yes I would have at least exchanged it as a small business.
That manager gaslighting was next level. Regardless of whatever was not VCA’s fault that gaslighting overshadows reasonableness. That manager’s behavior was indefensible. I think that is very admirable of you to exchange it. And I do understand why you would. Being a small business is hard. And you need to build and maintain your business and brand. But if people keep damaging things and return them, that would risk your viability. In other countries, Asian countries, HK and Japan, they don’t allow exchanges. That is the law and the culture. Buyers be careful and know what you’re buying. Wrong size, damaged goods, whatever. It’s yours when you leave the store. I can understand that rule too to be honest.
 
But scientifically tarnish is a real thing. But I am actually very interested in comparing my own older pieces so I will post pics next week when I’m not as slammed at work. Please don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not attacking you. I would like to have a meaningful discussion about the bigger picture of this situation and the chemical realities of materials science. Are there any chemists or engineers out there?
I’m part of the VCA fb group and at least 3 different people had this tarnishing issue. They were all different pieces including a guilloche bracelet, hammered bracelet and perlee clover bracelet. They all had their pieces repaired at VCA for $200. It seems it’s an issue with the metal itself but I’m not sure.
 
I’m part of the VCA fb group and at least 3 different people had this tarnishing issue. They were all different pieces including a guilloche bracelet, hammered bracelet and perlee clover bracelet. They all had their pieces repaired at VCA for $200. It seems it’s an issue with the metal itself but I’m not sure.
So interesting! Thank you for sharing. I would not be surprised if my RG has gotten darker too. But I will check it next week and come back with comparison photos. I bought mine in 2017. And in the early years it was worn a lot 24/7 by mom, who does everything, clean household chores. She does not cook and does not do anything with her nails so no exposure to acetone, and those chemicals. But cleaning chemicals yes. Maybe I’ll take this over to the tarnishing thread.
 
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