So, I now have the bag, no olive undertones that I can see but it seems darker than truffle from the swatches I've found online. I was wondering if it could be a 2009 noix? I haven't handled that many bals, particularly chevre, but the leather on this one is softer and more puddly than my 2009 agneau anthracite Day, but maybe it's just a nicer agneau? From what I can find it's the men messenger day, with studs on the bottom front corners rather than buckles, and the only ones I can find with studs all seem to be 2009's. Does anyone have any idea what years the studs were on the bottom corners for this bag? It also has a single buckle strap. I've included a couple of pics (one with my standard poodle's nose in the background) and one showing kind of how it puddles. I'm going to condition it, shorten the strap and keep it as my basher bal.