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[quinna]

That's actually a BIG problem.

You probably should have posted at the Authenticate This Coach thread but let's keep it here as long as you have so many photos posted already.

Can you get a better picture of the creed and especially the serial number? If the lining can be pulled out, try to take a straight- on photo instead of an angled one. Right now the serial number isn't legible and there are other details of the creed we need to see. If we need any other photos, we'll ask after we've looked closer at the creed.

The style number looks like 19646 so it's not supposed to be pleated, but the other problems could be serious.

Please post a link to the Ebay auction where you bought the bag. We require that for authentications.

Sorry for posting in the wrong spot. When I initially posted I wasn't doubting the authenticity, but now I'm not 100%. It was an impulsive purchase with a crappy listing, and I know I would have been advised to ask for more pictures. I'm not sure how to link with the app, but the item number is: 361406057210. Here's some better pictures and some more close up details. Thanks.
Eta sorry, I don't know why the creed flipped.

 

[quinna]

Ok, here's a possible theory. When I google the style number one of the images I found is an exact match to this bag (it's small, but you can see the same details that I called into question), and it's found on a Malaysian handbag blog. I can't prove where she sources her images obviously, but she does credit Coach at the bottom of the post. Could this have been an Asian version?
http://www.bagaddictsanonymous.com/2012/04/coach-mothers-day-edition.html

 

[BeenBurned]

That's actually a BIG problem. On almost every bag with a Carriage emblem, the Coach name plaque color should match the leather color. There are a few exceptions but this isn't one of them.

You probably should have posted at the Authenticate This Coach thread but let's keep it here as long as you have so many photos posted already.

Can you get a better picture of the creed and especially the serial number? If the lining can be pulled out, try to take a straight- on photo instead of an angled one. Right now the serial number isn't legible and there are other details of the creed we need to see. If we need any other photos, we'll ask after we've looked closer at the creed.

The style number looks like 19646 - hard to tell for sure from the picture - so it's not supposed to be pleated, but the other problems could be serious. The connecting links aren't supposed to be black but they should be textured and almost a gunmetal shade. You CAN'T compare it to a listing for style # 19848 because that's NOT the style number, but when comparing it to a listing for 19646 the color of the Coach plaque becomes a serious problem. Compare it to this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-1200-R...588190?hash=item1c5ade155e:g:9PUAAOSwpdpVehEu

Please post a link to the Ebay auction where you bought the bag. We require that for authentications.

Any time you need identification or authentication, we need the full serial number. A clear photo of the creed and serial number would also help. And remember to post at the Authentication thread in the Coach Shopping forum for authentications.

Sorry for posting in the wrong spot. When I initially posted I wasn't doubting the authenticity, but now I'm not 100%. It was an impulsive purchase with a crappy listing, and I know I would have been advised to ask for more pictures. I'm not sure how to link with the app, but the item number is: 361406057210. Here's some better pictures and some more close up details. Thanks.
Eta sorry, I don't know why the creed flipped.

I've been reading but not commenting because I don't know the bag and didn't have really helpful advice or comments until you posted the item number. (A link is more helpful but I know it's sometimes difficult if you're on a phone.)

After reading Hyacinth's comments and looking at the "issues," I silently wondered to myself whether the seller was located in NY and once I looked at the listing, my question was answered. (Think: NY sellers of "samples." Not sure this is one of them but I see red flags.)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEAUTIFUL-L...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

ETA: I see that Hyacinth mentioned this. I'll leave the comp pictures for reference.
Another HUGE problem is the color of the background on the front plaque. Your bag looks like it's black:

Compare to these two listings:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-1200-R...588190?hash=item1c5ade155e:g:9PUAAOSwpdpVehEu

And:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Madis...388379?hash=item3ab48f395b:g:dNoAAOSw5VFWKW3-

Also, your hardware looks silver (in your pictures). The other listings are gold.

Another difference is in the stitch length bordering the logo section.

ETA again: So far, every listing I've seen is from the 69 plant. Yours is 93.

 

[quinna]

I've been reading but not commenting because I don't know the bag and didn't have really helpful advice or comments until you posted the item number. (A link is more helpful but I know it's sometimes difficult if you're on a phone.)

After reading Hyacinth's comments and looking at the "issues," I silently wondered to myself whether the seller was located in NY and once I looked at the listing, my question was answered. (Think: NY sellers of "samples." Not sure this is one of them but I see red flags.)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEAUTIFUL-L...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

ETA: I see that Hyacinth mentioned this. I'll leave the comp pictures for reference.
Another HUGE problem is the color of the background on the front plaque. Your bag looks like it's black:

Compare to these two listings:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-1200-R...588190?hash=item1c5ade155e:g:9PUAAOSwpdpVehEu

And:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Madis...388379?hash=item3ab48f395b:g:dNoAAOSw5VFWKW3-

Also, your hardware looks silver (in your pictures). The other listings are gold.

Another difference is in the stitch length bordering the logo section.

The hardware on my bag is definitely gold, but the leather is not the blue leather that is in those listings. It's two shades of dark teal. I'm a little thick, and I'm not quite understanding what you mean about the samples. Also, did you catch my post above about the Malaysian blog?

 

[BeenBurned]

The hardware on my bag is definitely gold, but the leather is not the blue leather that is in those listings. It's two shades of dark teal. I'm a little thick, and I'm not quite understanding what you mean about the samples. Also, did you catch my post above about the Malaysian blog?

Thanks for clarifying the hardware color. That's a +1 for your bag but still, it's the only one I can add.

What I means about the samples is that we've seen some very VERY close fakes in listings in which the sellers (usually from NY or NJ) claim their bags are samples. Yet receipts nor any other proof has been shown that the bags were actually made by or sold by Coach.

I did see the blog. I'm not sure that's real helpful because there aren't any detailed pictures.


I don't have time now to look for the posts about the "samples" but I'll try to get to them if someone else doesn't post them first.

My personal opinion is that the bag isn't authentic.

 

[quinna]

Thanks for clarifying the hardware color. That's a +1 for your bag but still, it's the only one I can add.

What I means about the samples is that we've seen some very VERY close fakes in listings in which the sellers (usually from NY or NJ) claim their bags are samples. Yet receipts nor any other proof has been shown that the bags were actually made by or sold by Coach.

I did see the blog. I'm not sure that's real helpful because there aren't any detailed pictures.


I don't have time now to look for the posts about the "samples" but I'll try to get to them if someone else doesn't post them first.

My personal opinion is that the bag isn't authentic.

I just noticed your edit about plant numbers, and I wasn't sure if it was relevant, but I checked the number on my saffron embossed caroline (which I think was an Asian exclusive), and it is also 93 as well as the number on vachetta Caroline.

 

[BeenBurned]

The style number looks like 19646 - hard to tell for sure from the picture - so it's not supposed to be pleated, but the other problems could be serious.

Hyacinth, from what I'm seeing, the 19646 style IS supposed to be pleated:
http://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_fro...trksid=m570.l1313&_odkw=coach+19646&_osacat=0

Note the first picture is from Quinna's seller, sandy-ny. The picture on the right is another listing, an authentic bag.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hyacinth, from what I'm seeing, the 19646 style IS supposed to be pleated:
http://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_fro...trksid=m570.l1313&_odkw=coach+19646&_osacat=0

Note the first picture is from Quinna's seller, sandy-ny. The picture on the right is another listing, an authentic bag.

Nope. It's woven on the bottom, the TOP part of some other similar styles are actally pleated. The top of 19646 is supposed to be smooth leather.

Give me a bit to get back to this. Not only is my computer about to crash with having over 50 browser windows open, but I'm fighting an absolutely STINKING migraine and can barely stand to look at the screen even with the brightness turned all the way down.

Google Coach 19646 for more pics of how it's supposed to look on the outside I think it's 19848 that's pleated on top.

 

[BeenBurned]

Nope. It's woven on the bottom, the TOP part of some other similar styles are actally pleated. The top of 19646 is supposed to be smooth leather.

Give me a bit to get back to this. Not only is my computer about to crash with having over 50 browser windows open, but I'm fighting an absolutely STINKING migraine and can barely stand to look at the screen even with the brightness turned all the way down.

Google Coach 19646 for more pics of how it's supposed to look on the outside I think it's 19848 that's pleated on top.

Ugh. I hope you're feeling better soon!

I was referring to the pleats at the bottom where the front meets the base.

 

[ValentinasVault]

Does anyone recognize this bag? There is no creed patch, but it is a small bag. approx 11 x 7 x 2 inches.

 

[Hyacinth]

Ugh. I hope you're feeling better soon!

I was referring to the pleats at the bottom where the front meets the base.

Ah. I didn't even notice those. But I'm leaning toward "pleated" meaning more like the 19848 pleating.

Anyway, the black plaque on the poster's bag is a major red flag, pleats or no. I'll try to take a look at some other details as soon as my eyes will co-operate. Bloody low-pressure weather systems!

ETA - One other problem is that I can't find another 19646 made in that 93 plant, which if I remember right did or does mostly (but not exclusively) MFF bags. Strange that our tPF poster has the only one with that style number. Looking at the creed, I'm seeing a lot of highs and lows in the stamping. The first letter of almost every word is deeper than the others in the same word.

Comparing JUST bags with the same plant and date codes within 6 months of the blue one - one MFF, one full price, plus our possible fake - now WHY doesn't the one for the FP stores also have a Carriage on the creed? And why is the "o" in "No" in a slightly different position on the questionable creed?:

 

[quinna]

Ah. I didn't even notice those. But I'm leaning toward "pleated" meaning more like the 19848 pleating.

Anyway, the black plaque on the poster's bag is a major red flag, pleats or no. I'll try to take a look at some other details as soon as my eyes will co-operate. Bloody low-pressure weather systems!

ETA - One other problem is that I can't find another 19646 made in that 93 plant, which if I remember right did or does mostly (but not exclusively) MFF bags. Strange that our tPF poster has the only one with that style number. Looking at the creed, I'm seeing a lot of highs and lows in the stamping. The first letter of almost every word is deeper than the others in the same word.

Comparing JUST bags with the same plant and date codes within 6 months of the blue one - one MFF, one full price, plus our possible fake - now WHY doesn't the one for the FP stores also have a Carriage on the creed? And why is the "o" in "No" in a slightly different position on the questionable creed?:

I dont have another 19646 to compare, but I can compare bags with the same plant code (both Carolines)

 

[Hyacinth]

Does anyone recognize this bag? There is no creed patch, but it is a small bag. approx 11 x 7 x 2 inches.

11x7 inches isn't small. It's considered medium size and should, depending on when it was made, either have a creed patch or TINY white fabric tag with the production codes and style number near the bottom of the inside zipper pocket sewn into one of the seams. If you can't see it, try feeling for it.

The style reminds me of the Campbell line of Made For Factory bags from a few years ago, but those should have creed patches.

BTW, are you measuring the length across the top of the bag or across the bottom? What's the length across the bottom?


ETA - never mind, I found it. Coach is apparently going by the length at the base, which one seller gives as 9 inches. So a 9x7 bag could be considered an accessory and wouldn't have to have a creed.

Style 50103, Campbell Signature Mini Tote Crossbody is what it says on the tag - here's a listing for another one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Campb...551418?hash=item1ea5f8983a:g:oycAAOSwsB9WD9m2

 

[Hyacinth]

I dont have another 19646 to compare, but I can compare bags with the same plant code (both Carolines)

The first one would seem to suggest that the creed stamp itself for the 93 plant was changed some time in January 2012. A slim chance, but Possible. Or the plant could have two creed stamps. Also possible, it's probably one of their largest plants.

The second one is a special creed that probably can only be compared to another one from the same line of anniversary bags.

So IF your blue bag's creed is genuine, we still have the problem of the mismatched Carriage emblem plaque. There's a REEEEEEALLLY slim chance that they either made a mistake OR ran out of the correct color and just used whatever they could find in which case, it's probably genuine.
ETA - never mind, I just saw the photo from the Malaysian blog that you mentioned in post 10292. OK, chances of it being authentic just went up another few notches.

"The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency..." Rinse and repeat.

Looking at BeenBurned for a second opinion, my head is about to explode and it's not a good feeling...

 

[quinna]

The first one would seem to suggest that the creed stamp itself for the 93 plant was changed some time in January 2012. A slim chance, but Possible. Or the plant could have two creed stamps. Also possible, it's probably one of their largest plants.

The second one is a special creed that probably can only be compared to another one from the same line of anniversary bags.

So IF your blue bag's creed is genuine, we still have the problem of the mismatched Carriage emblem plaque. There's a REEEEEEALLLY slim chance that they either made a mistake OR ran out of the correct color and just used whatever they could find in which case, it's probably genuine.

Looking at BeenBurned for a second opinion, my head is about to explode and it's not a good feeling...

Sorry to open such a can or worms. I really wish there was a way of knowing for sure (she says coach, which I would assume to be an Asian site) where that picture on the Malaysian blog came from because it's identical down to the black plaque at least on the outside.