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#7,906
Cameochi said:
Thanks for the reply. I own a Cartwright and the brown bag is different and just like the one Hyacinth posted. The same trim and front pocket with a hidden snap closure like hers and it is considerably larger than the Cartwright. I've never seen a Fargo either but it sounds as though that may be what I have. I own almost the entire line of Dakotas although my eBay supply has run dry for the last few weeks. Plenty of Sheridans but no Dakotas. Currently I have two Cassidys, two Lariats, two Riders, a Cartwright and a Ranger on the way plus the large brown bag. They kept popping up at great prices (under $30) so I scooped them up. :-)

I've never seen a number on a Dakota or feet either. It doesn't make sense to me that a Dakota would have feet. They are very much a mid-western prairie sort of bag. None of my Sheridans have feet either. It will be interesting to see what Jed comes up with and to get that pamphlet. I am a former librarian turned social worker and it drives me nuts when something cannot be cataloged. :woot:
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If I remember correctly, your bag looks like the first picture. The second picture is of a Fargo. They look nothing alike. Am I missing something?
 

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#7,907
Cameochi said:
Good evening everyone. It has been an interesting Coach day here as I received a call from Jed Winokur (Coach archivist) today. Tonight I sent him photos of the large Dakota satchel we know as the 4202.

It looks as though it is actually a 4203 Fargo which is 12" L x 8.5 H x 4.25" D with a full zippered top but we will know for sure when I hear back from him. He is also going to send me a pamphlet showing all of the Dakota bags which I will be happy to share.

One thing he mentioned struck me as a bit odd so I thought I would ask about it. He said the Fargo has feet which none of my Dakotas do and he was also under the impression that they have serial/style numbers under the creed. None of mine have any kind of a serial/style number either although they could have been glued on and fallen off later.

Does anyone have a Dakota (especially a large zippered top one) with metal feet and/or a serial/style number of some sort? Any info will be greatly appreciated - as always.
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Can't be, the Fargo 4203 was a Satchel, and the catalog says it has brass feet. That extra-large zip-top Dakota MUST be a 4202 because all the other numbers are accounted for. The bag that Cameochi and I both own is still unidentified. Here are more details:
Length at top zipper - 11.5"
Length at base - 12"
Depth - 4"
Front pocket with decorative leather slide tab and hidden functional magnetic snap with no brand name or other stamping
Strap end-to-end when on longest setting - 46", large rectangular buckle stamped underneath, "solid" on one side and "brass" on the other
No outside back pocket, full-length inside zippered pocket
Top zipper is only stamped on the "nose", has a "K" with smaller marks above & below it. Inside zipper pull is the "bat" type used in other Dakotas and Sheridans with what could be an 8 or O or D on the nose.

I've never seen any Dakotas with a serial number. There's no way they could have been glued in either.

SORRY, Whateve, should have checked before posting!
 

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Hyacinth said:
Can't be, the Fargo 4203 was a Satchel, and the catalog says it has brass feet. That extra-large zip-top Dakota MUST be a 4202 because all the other numbers are accounted for. The bag that Cameochi and I both own is still unidentified.

I've never seen any Dakotas with a serial number. There's no way they could have been glued in either.

SORRY, Whateve, should have checked before posting!
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That's fine. I needed the confirmation!
 
#7,909
Hyacinth said:
Can't be, the Fargo 4203 was a Satchel, and the catalog says it has brass feet. That extra-large zip-top Dakota MUST be a 4202 because all the other numbers are accounted for. The bag that Cameochi and I both own is still unidentified.

I've never seen any Dakotas with a serial number. There's no way they could have been glued in either.

SORRY, Whateve, should have checked before posting!
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According to Jed, there is no 4202 but he could be wrong. You are both correct that my bag looks nothing like a 4203 satchel nor is it a Cartwright. I told Jed that my bag is more of a cross body bag. As I stated in my post, I sent him photos of my bag this evening so will wait to hear back from him. So far, I've never seen a 4203 in the flesh so they must be fairly hard to come by but I will still keep watching in case one turns up.
 
#7,910
Cameochi said:
According to Jed, there is no 4202 but he could be wrong. You are both correct that my bag looks nothing like a 4203 satchel nor is it a Cartwright. I told Jed that my bag is more of a cross body bag. As I stated in my post, I sent him photos of my bag this evening so will wait to hear back from him. So far, I've never seen a 4203 in the flesh so they must be fairly hard to come by but I will still keep watching in case one turns up.
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I mailed pics of mine to Tetondeb when she went to the Archives last month but I don't know if she had a chance to show them to him and ask about the style number, or maybe he couldn't find any information on it, then or now.
 
#7,912
Hyacinth said:
I mailed pics of mine to Tetondeb when she went to the Archives last month but I don't know if she had a chance to show them to him and ask about the style number, or maybe he couldn't find any information on it, then or now.
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whateve said:
Have we heard from her since she's been back?
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I think she mentioned that she'd be super-busy for about a month after she got back. She posted a teaser about the Archives on her blog a few days ago:

http://sacsmagnifiques.blogspot.com/
 
#7,914
whateve said:
What is this, and what would it look like if it had a complete strap? Thanks
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231151358285&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:3160
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I have absolutely NO idea. It's not in any of my catalogs, and that's the only time I've ever seen that kind of strap attachment or a leather-covered round slider buckle on any Coach.

If it's real, the creed stamp and serial would seem to be from around 1992-93. More pics of the interior would help especially that inside pocket and the zipper pull. The details of the creed and serial stamps match this pic from an apparently genuine Italian-made Murphy Bag that was probably from 1993:
 

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Hyacinth said:
I think she mentioned that she'd be super-busy for about a month after she got back. She posted a teaser about the Archives on her blog a few days ago:

http://sacsmagnifiques.blogspot.com/
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Thanks, Hyacinth. IF I ever come across another 4202 I will send it to him for the archives. He said mine could possibly be a sample that was never actually produced but I would be shocked to find out that was actually the case. My not-so-educated guess is that it slipped through the cracks in the archive. Thanks for the photo of the 4203. I had not seen an actual photo of it before so added it to my Dakota folder. Do you have a 4203? Does anyone on this list have one?
 
#7,916
Cameochi said:
Thanks, Hyacinth. IF I ever come across another 4202 I will send it to him for the archives. He said mine could possibly be a sample that was never actually produced but I would be shocked to find out that was actually the case. My not-so-educated guess is that it slipped through the cracks in the archive. Thanks for the photo of the 4203. I had not seen an actual photo of it before so added it to my Dakota folder. Do you have a 4203? Does anyone on this list have one?
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So far we've seen at least three different ones, or at least pictures of them, in black, my navy one and the tan one you have, so that doesn't sound like a sample. It's a fairly large spread considering it's just bags that were found on Ebay. So I think that style slipped through the Archives' cracks too.

Tell Jed he should sign up to tPF and check in here once in a while. Who knows what other unknown goodies might be hiding in other members' closets? Promise him we won't bite, and won't even refer to him as a Cutie or a Hottie any more. Maybe. :D

(And if he ever does find a record of that 4202, we'd love to hear the details!)
 
#7,917
Hyacinth said:
I have absolutely NO idea. It's not in any of my catalogs, and that's the only time I've ever seen that kind of strap attachment or a leather-covered round slider buckle on any Coach.

If it's real, the creed stamp and serial would seem to be from around 1992-93. More pics of the interior would help especially that inside pocket and the zipper pull. The details of the creed and serial stamps match this pic from an apparently genuine Italian-made Murphy Bag that was probably from 1993:
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Thanks! It's a mystery!
 
#7,918
Cameochi said:
Thanks, Hyacinth. IF I ever come across another 4202 I will send it to him for the archives. He said mine could possibly be a sample that was never actually produced but I would be shocked to find out that was actually the case. My not-so-educated guess is that it slipped through the cracks in the archive. Thanks for the photo of the 4203. I had not seen an actual photo of it before so added it to my Dakota folder. Do you have a 4203? Does anyone on this list have one?
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If anyone on tpf has a 4203, I've never seen it. I've never seen one on ebay. Right now, it seems rarer than the style we've been calling 4202.
 
#7,919
Hyacinth said:
So far we've seen at least three different ones, or at least pictures of them, in black, my navy one and the tan one you have, so that doesn't sound like a sample. It's a fairly large spread considering it's just bags that were found on Ebay. So I think that style slipped through the Archives' cracks too.

Tell Jed he should sign up to tPF and check in here once in a while. Who knows what other unknown goodies might be hiding in other members' closets? Promise him we won't bite, and won't even refer to him as a Cutie or a Hottie any more. Maybe. :D

(And if he ever does find a record of that 4202, we'd love to hear the details!)
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lol I am sure he is not at work today as New York is a total mess and shut down. When I hear back from him, I will encourage him to pop in here once in awhile and promise him we will behave. :graucho: As for the 4202s IF Coach has no record of it, I an naming it the Bismarck as that is the capital of North Dakota and it is the largest of the collection. Now that I have said that in public, it is almost guaranteed that it is in the archives and called something completely different! Ce la vie! I agree with you whole heartedly. Three is too many showing up for it to be a sample that was never produced.
 
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