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#6,691
Hyacinth said:
Thanks for clarifying that. It proves how important it is to use the Quote feature.

I still haven't found any evidence that "made OUT of..." is considered grammatically incorrect. "Made of", "made from" and "made out of" seem to be used almost interchangeably. Saying "I doubt coach is as bad at grammar as this tag displays" is implying that Coach bags with that creed wording are fake.

My other comments about capitalizing proper names (nitpicky? Sure, but someone wagging a finger at someone else needs to be careful that they're not making a similar mistake), and about "Rules" that claim to cover all Coaches are still valid.
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I don't think "made out of" is grammatically incorrect, but the first time I saw it, I thought it was a little awkward, since "made of" would have been sufficient. Coach hasn't used that wording for a long time, so maybe they hired a professional writer to create the proper creed language!
 
#6,695
christinag said:
Well.. hrrmph!!! I hope they were not implying that my fabulously beat-to-heck Becket that we were discussing in that post isn't real :what:

This does give me a great excuse to post updated pix of that bag after stage one of her spa treatment... still more detailing needed, but already I am saying
'Why, hello, Gorgeous!!'
:)
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Is that an Eames? A very appropriate lounging area for a genuine Coach! :D
 
#6,697
Hyacinth said:
Thanks for clarifying that. It proves how important it is to use the Quote feature.

I still haven't found any evidence that "made OUT of..." is considered grammatically incorrect. "Made of", "made from" and "made out of" seem to be used almost interchangeably. Saying "I doubt coach is as bad at grammar as this tag displays" is implying that Coach bags with that creed wording are fake.

My other comments about capitalizing proper names (nitpicky? Sure, but someone wagging a finger at someone else needs to be careful that they're not making a similar mistake), and about "Rules" that claim to cover all Coaches are still valid.
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Thank you ladies for all you helpful thoughts!
I am attempting to use the quote feature with more or less success on some posts.
My iPhone has issues with the Purseforum app and often just posts part of what I am trying to convey. It also likes to delete letters or capitals as it feels like.
The post I was trying to reply to was in reference to a bag a poster found in her closet and was not sure if it was real or not.
As a proud Coach owner for the last 30 years ( I have more than 40) I am familiar with many creeds.
Most creeds in my bags read "made from", "crafted from" or "made of".
"Made out of" is incorrect, just as " where are you at?" is incorrect. If there are creeds that read such it would be surprising.
Lastly, the missing paragraph stated the poster should authenticate as it sounded a little "off".
I certainly am not an expert, just wanted to point a fellow bag junkie in the proper direction.
Apologies for any typos/ misspellings here.
 
#6,698
Murphy47 said:
Thank you ladies for all you helpful thoughts!
I am attempting to use the quote feature with more or less success on some posts.
My iPhone has issues with the Purseforum app and often just posts part of what I am trying to convey. It also likes to delete letters or capitals as it feels like.
The post I was trying to reply to was in reference to a bag a poster found in her closet and was not sure if it was real or not.
As a proud Coach owner for the last 30 years ( I have more than 40) I am familiar with many creeds.
Most creeds in my bags read "made from", "crafted from" or "made of".
"Made out of" is incorrect, just as " where are you at?" is incorrect. If there are creeds that read such it would be surprising.
Lastly, the missing paragraph stated the poster should authenticate as it sounded a little "off".
I certainly am not an expert, just wanted to point a fellow bag junkie in the proper direction.
Apologies for any typos/ misspellings here.
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I am sitting here with at least 4 vintage bags that have "MADE OUT OF" on the creed. They are all authentic.

"MADE OUT OF" is absolutely CORRECT!

There is enough confusion. Don't confuse the issue more!
 
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#6,699
Wasn't trying to confuse any one. Sorry to have offended.
My only point ever was to suggest to the poster to authenticate.
Certainly neither of us has every creed ever created. This is why experts are so very important.
Have a lovely day.
 
#6,700
Murphy47 said:
Wasn't trying to confuse any one. Sorry to have offended.
My only point ever was to suggest to the poster to authenticate.
Certainly neither of us has every creed ever created. This is why experts are so very important.
Have a lovely day.
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If any of your Coach bags are from the 70's or 80's, you should see "Made out of" on the creed. It may not be the best wording, but that is what Coach used from the time they created the first creed. Since you said you've been an owner for over 30 years, I assume you've seen some of these creeds in authentic bags.
 
#6,702
whateve said:
If any of your Coach bags are from the 70's or 80's, you should see "Made out of" on the creed. It may not be the best wording, but that is what Coach used from the time they created the first creed. Since you said you've been an owner for over 30 years, I assume you've seen some of these creeds in authentic bags.
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No I haven't. All my early bags state " handcrafted of specially treated leather. Made in Italy. " Followed by the serial number.
Had I ever seen one with such wording I would never have written a thing.
There are so many "replicas" out there it can be hard to tell real from fake. I merely intended to tell the poster to authenticate.
 
#6,703
Murphy47 said:
No I haven't. All my early bags state " handcrafted of specially treated leather. Made in Italy. " Followed by the serial number.
Had I ever seen one with such wording I would never have written a thing.
There are so many "replicas" out there it can be hard to tell real from fake. I merely intended to tell the poster to authenticate.
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So if your early bags are all "specially treated leather" with serial numbers and say "Made in Italy", they may be either Sheridans or Madisons and are no more than 20 years old. That's not a very wide cross-section of vintage Coaches - maybe 2-3 percent of pre-2000 production at the most.

Sheridans say "... It is handmade of genuine full-grain leather, and is specially treated to maintain a new appearance over time...". Madisons say "It was handcrafted in Italy of a finely textured full-grain cowhide which is specially treated..." etc. I don't know which one you have but it's a miniscule sampling. And it doesn't sound exactly like the creed statement from either style.

The other 97-98 percent of vintage (at least 20 years old) Coaches usually say this:
 

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