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I didn't realize that Coach had used the name "Carlyle" for an earlier model bag! I was only familiar with the Madison Carlyle 4401 made in Italy in the mid-1990s!


Coach re-uses style and even line names over and over. "Madison" is a good example. That's why any serious searching for a specific bag should always include the style number, not just the name. Many of their early names were names of New York City streets or locations synonymous with luxury or hipness that were recognizable by the public, like the Carlyle Hotel or Soho or Madison Avenue. Even in NYC, there was a limited number of those to go around.

From the Winter 1990 catalog:

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9.5 x 6.5 is this a Dinky or a Penny? what’s difference between the 2?


I don't think there ever actually was a bag officially called a Penny, there's no such style listed in any of the early catalogs or any other contemporary sources. Almost all of what people call Pennys are actually Dinkys, the name seems to have originated with the same bunch of ad writers from 10 or 15 years ago who insisted on renaming the Coach Creed a "storypatch". And that's not a Dinky either, it's a style 9755 Pocket Purse from 1995.
 
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A single photo of a bag often isn't enough to identify it unless there's a style number included in the serial number. Please include photos of the back, one side showing the strap end, and the front panel that's under the flap.

Ok great thank you, I will add more photos!
 

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