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Well, I have an additional predicament:. It is a Christmas gift from my husband and he has hidden it! He's too good at hiding gifts for me to EVER be able to find it! I know there was a tag inside the bag and it said "Made in Vietnam". I do not recall a dot on this tag but I will have to wait until Christmas to let you know! It was the ONLY bag I found in the whole store that had a dust bag so I was cautiously optimistic that it was a retail bag. My local outlet also made it rather obvious when you stepped bag and took in the layout of the store: It appeared that they kept the retail bags on a shelf near the registers. They were bags that were all ,"one-offs"...no duplicates, and most of them seemed like they had traveled a great deal- Missing carry straps, odd/mismatched stuffing inside, some had the care instructions in the fancy sleeve, others didn't....which were not within any of the factory outlet bags. Additionally, I did talk to one of the retail associates about retail vs. factory bags. She was rather unwilling to offer additional information to me but she did spill the beans that all of the new factory outlet SNs have only 4 digits after the dash....no more F. The style you purchased with no F, did it have 4 digits after the dash, or 5?

As you can tell, I was on a mission to find a retail bag. I also bought a wallet. I found a dreamer wallet (66615) and, there again- while placed in drawers with other wallets, it was among a group of wallets which there were very few of each color. I actually found 66615 on the coach.com site! It is listed as out of stock....so this MUST be a retail item. It also contained a sleeve and care instruction card which others did not. I feel more confident that this is a retail wallet. https://www.coach.com/coach-dreamer-wallet/66615.html. Any thoughts on this one?


When you say they only have 4 digits after the dash, that worries me. All bags made after 2006 have FIVE digits after the dash just as the standard style number format. Adding the "F" makes it six. I've heard that Coach is re-using older style numbers but going back to 4 digits would just confuse things even more. Are you sure that the new system shows 4 and not 5, with the F code making it 6?

I'm hoping that some posters buying items at the outlet will start posting pics of the creed patches as well as the actual items, it would make authenticating those newer styles a bit easier.
 
When you say they only have 4 digits after the dash, that worries me. All bags made after 2006 have FIVE digits after the dash just as the standard style number format. Adding the "F" makes it six. I've heard that Coach is re-using older style numbers but going back to 4 digits would just confuse things even more. Are you sure that the new system shows 4 and not 5, with the F code making it 6?

I'm hoping that some posters buying items at the outlet will start posting pics of the creed patches as well as the actual items, it would make authenticating those newer styles a bit easier.
Some newer style numbers only have 4 digits, both retail and factory. They are reusing style numbers. My new bag only has 4 digits. There are some with only 3 digits. Look on Coach.com. The Cashin Carry Tote 22 is style #737, the 29 size is #730. The turnlock convertible crossbody in signature is #106. The turnlock pouch is #2905. The new swinger is really weird in that it has a letter in the number and the first digit is zero: C0638. There doesn't seem to be any pattern.
 
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Some newer style numbers only have 4 digits, both retail and factory. They are reusing style numbers. My new bag only has 4 digits. There are some with only 3 digits. Look on Coach.com. The Cashin Carry Tote 22 is style #737, the 29 size is #730. The turnlock convertible crossbody in signature is #106. The turnlock pouch is #2905. The new swinger is really weird in that it has a letter in the number and the first digit is zero: C0638. There doesn't seem to be any pattern.
Ugh!
 
Some newer style numbers only have 4 digits, both retail and factory. They are reusing style numbers. My new bag only has 4 digits. There are some with only 3 digits. Look on Coach.com. The Cashin Carry Tote 22 is style #737, the 29 size is #730. The turnlock convertible crossbody in signature is #106. The turnlock pouch is #2905. The new swinger is really weird in that it has a letter in the number and the first digit is zero: C0638. There doesn't seem to be any pattern.

Well, isn't that just DUCKY?

Just when you think that after the "who needs serial numbers?" BS between 2014 and 2017, that Coach couldn't possibly F things up any more...

And they're actually stamping the "new" 3-number style numbers as just 3 numbers, not with any added zeros in front of the numbers like they did before? :shocked:

Bloody IDIOTS.
 
Some newer style numbers only have 4 digits, both retail and factory. They are reusing style numbers. My new bag only has 4 digits. There are some with only 3 digits. Look on Coach.com. The Cashin Carry Tote 22 is style #737, the 29 size is #730. The turnlock convertible crossbody in signature is #106. The turnlock pouch is #2905. The new swinger is really weird in that it has a letter in the number and the first digit is zero: C0638. There doesn't seem to be any pattern.


I just want to double check - they haven't messed with the production codes too, I hope?
 
Yes, just to clarify: This information was told to me by a FO associate. She said new style numbers for FO are all 4 digits....no more F in front. However, as we see here, Coach.com is selling 4 digits styles as well! This is getting very weird!
 
I just want to double check - they haven't messed with the production codes too, I hope?
Production codes still look the same. Some factory style numbers are still 5 digits, I believe, some have a C in front. There is a mini camera bag on FOS right now with a style number of 87734. It doesn't show on the reserve page so I assume that means it is made for factory. The Dreamer crossbody, which is boutique, has a style number of 87899. The Rowan satchel in leopard print, which is MFF, has a style number of C2014. The Jes crossbody I bought has a style number of 1904, but there is a Jes crossbody on FOS right now with a style number of F75818. What a mess!
 
Well, isn't that just DUCKY?

Just when you think that after the "who needs serial numbers?" BS between 2014 and 2017, that Coach couldn't possibly F things up any more...

And they're actually stamping the "new" 3-number style numbers as just 3 numbers, not with any added zeros in front of the numbers like they did before? :shocked:

Bloody IDIOTS.
Makes you want to cry, huh?
 
Makes you want to cry, huh?


Just another drop in the Insanity Bucket that was 2020. Depending on things to make sense is just another exercise in futility.


Mantra Time.

"The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency. The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency. The most consistent thing about Coach..."
 
Just another drop in the Insanity Bucket that was 2020. Depending on things to make sense is just another exercise in futility.


Mantra Time.

"The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency. The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency. The most consistent thing about Coach..."

I can't speak for the last screw ups but I can try to blame Covid-19 for 2020 screw ups. It's very likely the stickler for maintaining the serial number system either lost his/her job and have been replaced for whatever reason that may be... Or just simply had no say in it because it was a "great idea" the upper management came up with regardless! That decision may even have resulted from drinking while working remotely from home! :lol: Who knows!
 
I just want to double check - they haven't messed with the production codes too, I hope?
Production codes still look the same. Some factory style numbers are still 5 digits, I believe, some have a C in front. There is a mini camera bag on FOS right now with a style number of 87734. It doesn't show on the reserve page so I assume that means it is made for factory. The Dreamer crossbody, which is boutique, has a style number of 87899. The Rowan satchel in leopard print, which is MFF, has a style number of C2014. The Jes crossbody I bought has a style number of 1904, but there is a Jes crossbody on FOS right now with a style number of F75818. What a mess!
Makes you want to cry, huh?
Just another drop in the Insanity Bucket that was 2020. Depending on things to make sense is just another exercise in futility.


Mantra Time.

"The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency. The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency. The most consistent thing about Coach..."
And since we're discussing Coach's f-ing around and changing style numbers, here's another doozy -- 6 digit numbers!

Look up "Coach 577321."

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And since we're discussing Coach's f-ing around and changing style numbers, here's another doozy -- 6 digit numbers!

Look up "Coach 577321."

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On the price tag, it looks more like an "I" than a one. I can't tell in those creed pictures if it is an I or 1. I find the font they use for current creeds very hard to read. I can hardly read them when I have the bag in hand.

ETA: I think it is an I. https://coach.tingtingchen.com/coac...EATHER&style=COACH 57732I&color=DK/DARK BLUSH
 
On the price tag, it looks more like an "I" than a one. I can't tell in those creed pictures if it is an I or 1. I find the font they use for current creeds very hard to read. I can hardly read them when I have the bag in hand.

ETA: I think it is an I. https://coach.tingtingchen.com/coach-product.php?name=TURNLOCK CHAIN TOTE 27 IN SIGNATURE LEATHER&style=COACH 57732I&color=DK/DARK BLUSH
Oops, you're right!

And what does "i" mean?!?!?

From what I've surmised about letters after the style number, M seems to indicate Macy's exclusives and E seems to be bags from Dillards.

I wonder what I is and why they use it.
 
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Oops, you're right!

And what does "i" mean?!?!?

From what I've surmised about letters after the style number, M seems to indicate Macy's exclusives and E seems to be bags from Dillards.

I wonder what I is and why they use it.
I have no idea! It's on FOS and not in the reserve section so I imagine it was made for factory. Or maybe made for factory AND department stores. I remember buying an E bag at an outlet.
 
I have no idea! It's on FOS and not in the reserve section so I imagine it was made for factory. Or maybe made for factory AND department stores. I remember buying an E bag at an outlet.


Probably their way of covering their arses against future lawsuits about deceptive outlet pricing. The Government can't sue them if they don't know what the codes mean, right?

The "i" probably stands for "idiot".
 
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