How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

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MissOrange said:
Yay in sunny California I can finally don a bikini! Here is my figure over 2 years post breast FT with lipo to the flanks, 360 thighs and inner knees. My abs look great from eating more meat, cutting out dairy, and doing stairs at home. Last abdo lipo was 2 decades ago. I seem to have toned up as I have no loose tummy skin! If you want to go down the lipo route, remember traditional lipo only and not Vaser!

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you look amazing and your bikini is v chic! but honestly? what I love most about your journey is your increased confidence, really enjoying your beauty and experimenting with makeup, dyed hair, new styles and the like. Having fun! With an attitude like that you could conquer the world! thanks for always being generous and honest in sharing the pros and cons of aesthetic procedures.
 
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sanarae said:
you look amazing and your bikini is v chic! but honestly? what I love most about your journey is your increased confidence, really enjoying your beauty and experimenting with makeup, dyed hair, new styles and the like. Having fun! With an attitude like that you could conquer the world! thanks for always being generous and honest in sharing the pros and cons of aesthetic procedures.
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Thank yoi for your kind words @sanarae. Pity I can’t delete that bikini photo! Just realised all my pregnancy stretch marks are on display! lol.
 
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@MissOrange Thank you for giving us all the great information. I will be in Seoul next week. I am 41, Caucasian from New York. I need a revision facelift because the scars around my ears are terrible, lower bleph, forehead lift, and maybe fat grafting. Currently I have consultations at View, Banobagi, ID, and Braun. Please let me know what you think of these clinics and which clinic you would go to if you were me. Thank you!
 
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justbeingmejose said:
@MissOrange Thank you for giving us all the great information. I will be in Seoul next week. I am 41, Caucasian from New York. I need a revision facelift because the scars around my ears are terrible, lower bleph, forehead lift, and maybe fat grafting. Currently I have consultations at View, Banobagi, ID, and Braun. Please let me know what you think of these clinics and which clinic you would go to if you were me. Thank you!
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Hi @justbeingmejose, I have only consulted at View for a facelift. In Korea pricing is by negotiation but if you go too low you risk a ghost or shadow doctor. Personally I prefer going to a smaller clinic where I know I will be operated on by the surgeon of my choice. But of the 4 you listed, I would go with View as I know one young Caucasian male who had surgery there and looked fab.
 
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MissOrange said:
Here are the b&a’s from the youtube interview of Dream patients. I like how they made videos so you can see their animated after faces in action and how the 55 year old is one year out and it is holding. She had fat graft too. Sounds like she had it under general anaesthesia as she says her throat hurt from the tube. I still look younger than the 55 year old as she did not get fat graft to her upper eyelid and her lips are still thin, a sign of age. Sounds like we have another contender for facelifts in Korea…Dr Yoo At Dream, to join 2 other facelift clinics in Korea, ASPS and Bio Clinic.


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Here are the b&a’s from the youtube interview of Dream patients. I like how they made videos so you can see their animated after faces in action and how the 55 year old is one year out and it is holding. She had fat graft too. Sounds like she had it under general anaesthesia as she says her throat hurt from the tube. I still look younger than the 55 year old as she did not get fat graft to her upper eyelid and her lips are still thin, a sign of age. Sounds like we have another contender for facelifts in Korea…Dr Yoo At Dream, to join 2 other facelift clinics in Korea, ASPS and Bio Clinic.

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Fraulein said:
Hi everyone
This feed has been very informative and I appreciate everyone providing their input. I'm currently shopping for surgeons to do my brow/face and neck lift. i'm Korean American, 54 and have had quite a few surgeries and revisions. It is really important for me to do my due diligence and pick the right surgeon.

Prices with the best surgeons in California have become astronomical since the pandemic. The demand skyrocketed and doctors have been busy. So, I'm looking outside of California which is crazy since LA is PS capital next to Seoul.

I did visit Dr. Kao in Los Angeles in October 2021 and he charged me $350 for the consultation (my friend said his consultation is now $1000). and his quote for the ponytail lift and neck lift was ....$200,000 for what he claims will be a 10 hour surgery. Yep. I had a consult with him in 2018 and he quoted me $46,000 then so his prices have really escalated during the pandemic. Dr. Kao is an artist and he knows it. If I had $200K to spend on this - he would be my first choice.

So, I visited Dr. Peter Lee at Wave and that was a $500 consultation fee that you can use for othere services if you don't get surgery with him OR it can be reallocated to surgery fee if you do have surgery with him. He was a bit flat and frankly looked too drained and tired. His quote was $35K for the brow, face and neck lift and he said I didn't have enough fat to do a fat grafting and that he will always split the procedures into two. He suggested sculptura or fat grafting six months after the surgery and that cost $6K. I was told that if I pay for the $35K surgical fee he would do the fat/sculptura for free.

I have since found Gary Linkov - love this man! I have a consultation scheduled with him in June. Cost is $300. His fees are the deep plane face lift; $12,000 + $4k-$6k for anesthesia and operating room fees. The lip lift procedure is $7,000, and the neck lift:$12,000 + $4k-$6k for OR and anesthesia.

I may also want a lip lift and that is what Dr. Linkov specializes in. I was told he performs 3 - 4 deep plane face/neck lifts per month and at least 4+ lip lifts per week. His next surgery availability is in Nov of this year.

He gives a very nice explanation of the different kinds of facelifts in this video.

Also, he looks at the changes in celebrity faces and tells you what he thinks they did or didn't do - here's his opinion on Kelly Osbourne:

I'm currently communicating with Dr. Dongman Park (Thank you Miss Orange) at Bio and getting my quotes. My cousin did get an original quote for $7K - I do think they can legally gouge foreigners so we'll see.

I reached out to Dirk Kremer's office -
  • Neck lift £9,200
  • Face lift £11,250
  • Face and neck lift £15,800 (includes overnight stay)
Virtual consultation cost £75/- and are conducted via WhatsApp video and zoom. In-person consultation are £150/- and conducted at our office in Harley Street.

My biggest concern is my brow - the surgeon in Korea cut too much skin from my eyes so they sag a bit and he said i needed a brow lift. Because I've had multliple revisions on my eyes I cannot have anyone touch them - just have to lift the brow. I wish I could do a temporal lift to have that cat eye look but that is usually not really recommended.

Anyway, just wanted to share my research.

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Hello! How hard is it to get a consultation and schedule a surgery with Dr. Dongman Park. they made me post a picture to post.
MissOrange said:
Hi @justbeingmejose, I have only consulted at View for a facelift. In Korea pricing is by negotiation but if you go too low you risk a ghost or shadow doctor. Personally I prefer going to a smaller clinic where I know I will be operated on by the surgeon of my choice. But of the 4 you listed, I would go with View as I know one young Caucasian male who had surgery there and looked fab.
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Thank you! You’re so generous with your advice. After researching this thread, I think I would like to go with Dr. Dongman Park. I need a FL revision.Do you foresee difficulty with getting a consultation on such short notice? I’ll be flying from NYC on Wed.232C3535-09FA-495D-8ABF-A6A3C266D70B.png3C0DE0D0-2EFF-42E0-A2AF-26AA1153737F.png250E58DD-FDBC-44BC-A6A1-EE8AF5897A14.png
 
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justbeingmejose said:
@MissOrange Thank you for giving us all the great information. I will be in Seoul next week. I am 41, Caucasian from New York. I need a revision facelift because the scars around my ears are terrible, lower bleph, forehead lift, and maybe fat grafting. Currently I have consultations at View, Banobagi, ID, and Braun. Please let me know what you think of these clinics and which clinic you would go to if you were me. Thank you!
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I have been consulting with Vlif, along with JW, Braun, and View. VLIF seems to be specialized only in the procedures related to Facelift. You may consider consulting them as well. Best wishes :) Keep us posted.
 
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justbeingmejose said:
Hello! How hard is it to get a consultation and schedule a surgery with Dr. Dongman Park. they made me post a picture to post.

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Good luck @justbeingmejose! Let bio clinic know asap you are flying for a consult. Idk his schedule so can't say if they can fit you in for surgery on this trip. I booked my surgeries at mvp before I flew out. Korean surgeons are amazing with scars. Part of being a plastic surgeon there is fine suturing leaving almost invisible scars. I would call mvp and kakao to reach them to schedule my op. You could try all the comms ports to reach Bio.
 
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My home cam snapped a 14 yo girl in my kitchen! Gosh I look super young at 94.8 lbs with shorter hair (I cut my own), no makeup and no glasses! The arm lipo I had a few years ago really worked! No more postmenopause batwings! The facial fat graft really makes one have a baby face!

I am worried no 30-40 yo will date me when my older OH dies of old age as I will look like a teenager! He had his 4th jab (2nd pfizer) before the 'Died Suddenly' whistleblowing film came out on rumble. In 2 days it has racked up over 4 million views!

Now I worry my married daughter may get miscarriages at 20-26 weeks when she gets pregnant. I have 11.5 months to go until it is 2Y and I am in the clear from the jab. I won't have any more and am ignoring the nhs texts and email reminders to have my 4th.

I have only recently recovered from presumed covid from the trip to LA (must have caught it on the airplane or airport on the way back). It took 5 days of hcq, zinc and doxycycline, then 3 days of azithromycin and prednisolone and now 3 days of antihistamines as from day 8 the body has an allergic reaction to the spike proteins! I can now exercise without desaturating. I learned about antihistamines from Dr Shankara Chetty who saved 7000 of his patients in S Africa with steroids and antihistamines from day 8.

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MissOrange said:
I thought I would start a new thread as I seem to have hijacked smitten kitten's thread on MVP to share my journey. I summarised my plastic surgery journey on www.drunacoales.blogspot.co.uk. Here is a short summary of my tips.

1. As you age, the nose tip droops. Bear this in mind when you get your primary rhinoplasty as it may not be your last. My tip drooped after 16 years and needed revision. In SK they prefer ultra soft silicone for the nose as it is easier to fit. Take care as some people react to foreign material more than others and you may need to remove or exchange on average every 10 years as with most body artificial implants. Ear or rib cartilage is autologous and less likely to cause a reaction. Get several quotes on kakao from various clinics. One clinic JW may start at 13 million for rib rhino revision but then drops to 11 million if they know you are active on social media but then may drop even further to 8 million after a consultation with the plastic surgeon and may even drop to 7.4 if you look like you are going elsewhere as shared by another KK friend. This is something foreigners are not used to...negotiating. Or clinics like GNG or MVP will start with a fair price like 4.5 million at GNG for rhino or 3 million special at MVP. MVP is noted for trying to give foreigners as close to local prices as they can. There are 2 types of noses...long nose and Barbie nose. Make sure you bring an A4 of a favourite actress or model or use the facetouchup app to see which suits your face. Bear in mind the nose and ears continue to grow with aging!

2. In your 40s, you start to lose fat from your face which then makes your face look bony. The most resistant fat is in your cheeks which then makes your face look unbalanced, ie chipmunk cheeks on a bony skeleton face. The answer is not cheek liposuction or buccal fat removal but full face fat graft to rejuvenate and replace all the facial fat lost with ageing. Be patient as fat grafting may need 3 attempts to stay and be prepared to gain a few lbs to help the fat graft thrive.

3. Eyelid sulcus hollows with ageing. Again fat grafting to the lids rejuvenates. You can combine this with an incision des or blepharoplasty. Again bear in mind that skin sags so actually a bigger crease buys you more time before it sags. Your first des is never your last when battling gravity.

4. Philtrum sags with ageing. You may have seen smiles with no upper teeth show. This is because the philtrum has sagged from 11 mms to 20 mms and basically covers your upper teeth show even at rest. Try a bullhorn lip lift and do not ask the plastic surgeon to cut into the nasal sill or it may distort the nostrils. The only downside is a scar but if you wear makeup, you can hide as it takes a year for the scar to be invisible.

5. SMAS facelift. I have seen this in girls as young as 30. As it is costly and with ageing all skin sags, I would suggest trying to put this off as long as possible by using other anti ageing procedures. Bear in mind any bone surgery may accelerate skin sagging and you may end up requiring an earlier SMAS facelift.

Hope this helps ladies especially from 40+. I turn 51 shortly and my next milestone hurdle will be conquering ageing at 60!
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Very informative and helpful. I may need this guide for future uses. Thank you so much! You do look very young btw :)
 
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