How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

[bottledpoe]

Thanks @bottledpoe! Sigh. It would be so much better if the after photo or video were without makeup to compare like with like. It is so hard to do research. I think the best scenario would be to meet a person f2f to see their results. But that is hard to do from another country.

I have been toing and froing re zygoma reduction. View would be 32 million (as my chin reduction makes it a 2 million extra for revision)! And all their facial contouring procedures recommend facelift at the same time or 5-6 months later!

Girin is cheapest as it is just 2 surgeons, one who does eyes and the other bone contouring and I have seen many b+a photos but do I want to budget for a 11-12 mill facelift too just in case? So for now hairstyling reduces the width of my face 1 cm on each side.

I feel like I can't even rely on RealSelf reviews anymore because you can 100% tell that they're using filters in the after shots. Some surgeons have before and afters with no makeup, taken with a DSLR so you can see actual skin texture, and in the same lighting for both pics (thank goodness). BUT, then I've noticed that some change the focal length of the lens to make the after shot look more flattering. Here's a link to a photography website to show the importance of focal length. I was looking at a lipo before/after and noticed that the width between the patient's eyes was drastically different between the before/after. There's no way that sucking out fat would dramatically change the bone structure for your eye sockets like that, lol.

I'm really interested to see how your zygoma result will look. One major thing keeping me from wanting the procedure done is the sagging issue that people talk about. I read a horror story on RealSelf about a young woman (like 20s or 30s) getting it done, and then needing a skin tightening procedure and eventually a face lift to correct the sag. I hope that doesn't happen to you!

 

[Jamdonuts]

Dear miss O, I think your extraordinary after reading your whole 109 pages. Thank you so much for your sense of humour and informative post. Can I pm you for further ps advice.

 

[MissOrange]

Dear miss O, I think your extraordinary after reading your whole 109 pages. Thank you so much for your sense of humour and informative post. Can I pm you for further ps advice.

Hi @Jamdonuts, yes you can pm me.

 

[MissOrange]

I feel like I can't even rely on RealSelf reviews anymore because you can 100% tell that they're using filters in the after shots. Some surgeons have before and afters with no makeup, taken with a DSLR so you can see actual skin texture, and in the same lighting for both pics (thank goodness). BUT, then I've noticed that some change the focal length of the lens to make the after shot look more flattering. Here's a link to a photography website to show the importance of focal length. I was looking at a lipo before/after and noticed that the width between the patient's eyes was drastically different between the before/after. There's no way that sucking out fat would dramatically change the bone structure for your eye sockets like that, lol.

I'm really interested to see how your zygoma result will look. One major thing keeping me from wanting the procedure done is the sagging issue that people talk about. I read a horror story on RealSelf about a young woman (like 20s or 30s) getting it done, and then needing a skin tightening procedure and eventually a face lift to correct the sag. I hope that doesn't happen to you!

Hi @bottledpoe,

I agree the focal length of a camera can suddenly make a patient’s after face look a lot slimmer which makes me worry about whether the person really looks like that post zygoma reduction. It took ages before I was brave enough to try blonde hair in my 50s. At the moment trying to research which L’Oréal dye to get for orange brassiness whenever I do my roots with 9.0. I end up getting it fixed professionally and the hair stylist said I needed to try ash to offset the orange but there are again so many choices for ash blonde hair dye. Looks like L’Oréal preference lightest ash blonde may work according to YouTube bloggers. L'Oréal Purple shampoo and conditioner do not work so I have binned them. YouTube mentions Clairol purple shampoo for brassiness working.

I may wait until I am 60 to try zygoma reduction as then I can get a facelift too. My OH says facial bones shrink with age and so I won’t need any facial bone surgery? Lol. I am not looking forward to osteoporosis at age 60! As I have already spent £10k this year on plastic surgery, I will put any additional procedures on hold for now. Although now I am researching inner thigh lifts as I can pinch 2 inches of skin probably from all the fat grafts harvested from my thighs.

 

[Fortunecat]

Hi @bottledpoe,

I agree the focal length of a camera can suddenly make a patient’s after face look a lot slimmer which makes me worry about whether the person really looks like that post zygoma reduction. It took ages before I was brave enough to try blonde hair in my 50s. At the moment trying to research which L’Oréal dye to get for orange brassiness whenever I do my roots with 9.0. I end up getting it fixed professionally and the hair stylist said I needed to try ash to offset the orange but there are again so many choices for ash blonde hair dye. Looks like L’Oréal preference lightest ash blonde may work according to YouTube bloggers. L'Oréal Purple shampoo and conditioner do not work so I have binned them. YouTube mentions Clairol purple shampoo for brassiness working.

I may wait until I am 60 to try zygoma reduction as then I can get a facelift too. My OH says facial bones shrink with age and so I won’t need any facial bone surgery? Lol. I am not looking forward to osteoporosis at age 60! As I have already spent £10k this year on plastic surgery, I will put any additional procedures on hold for now. Although now I am researching inner thigh lifts as I can pinch 2 inches of skin probably from all the fat grafts harvested from my thighs.

I think a face lift is more important than zygoma reduction.
I am thinking of going to MVP to consult Dr Seo for my temporal lift (sub brow lift). @MissOrange, what do you think? Besides Dr Seo, do you have other doctors to recommend? Many thanks in advance!

 

[MissOrange]

I think a face lift is more important than zygoma reduction.
I am thinking of going to MVP to consult Dr Seo for my temporal lift (sub brow lift). @MissOrange, what do you think? Besides Dr Seo, do you have other doctors to recommend? Many thanks in advance!

Hi @Fortunecat, I haven't researched sub brow lift. I guess a surgeon good at eyes is best and make sure they excise skin!

I have been looking at girin on instagram and their eye doc results also look good. But then again it is a model on ig so better to find an ordinary, real person to see their eyes.

I am thinking 5-8 million won for zygoma reduction and 6-11 million won for facelift, means a total of 11-19 million won!! My face needs to look really bad for me to pay that much! Which means yet again I must wait until I am 60 as my face is ok with hair camouflage, false lashes and full contouring makeup. lol.

 

[MissOrange]

@bottledpoe as I can't trust the focal lens on my S9 I decided to check my home cam of me in July vs me tonight in August in the same pose and wow it showed that at 2.5 weeks post arm lipo it did work after all! And my weight has been the same both months. My right saggy upper arm is gone! And my left arm may be a bit thinner. Can't tell with hair in the way. I have cancelled the Cadogan clinic consult as I wouldn't have been able to afford arm lift at £4750 anyway and now I don't need it. Phew. Got away with no long scars.

I now count myself lucky I did not get an anchor breast lift but a periareolar one instead as my underbreast scars are still pigmented a purplish-red colour at 7 months, fortunately hidden under my breasts when standing up but when lying down, the scars are clearly visible. With a full anchor lift I would have had obvious vertical pigmented scars on my breasts! Maybe asian skin scars tend to pigment?

 

[MissOrange]

Today's post is on how some people look better in selfies and some look worse. If you have a short nose and wide face like I do, then the focal length of the S9 selfie (beauty mode turned off) makes my nose bigger and my face narrower. This suggests that at some point I may need zygoma reduction and nose augmentation to look like my selfie in real life?! The problem is I can't send a true photo to plastic surgery kakao consultants, as they see the S9 selfie images on my kakao! If I looked like my selfie, I wouldn't touch my face.

 

[MissOrange]

Today's post is on the dangers of relying on selfies to decide if plastic surgery is necessary. Here is a classic example. I love JLH yet her camera phone lens makes her face even narrower and nose bigger than it is in real life! I wonder how many ladies thought they needed rhino because they saw a big nose in selfies? And then became obsessed with thinking their nose was too big? Or got upset after rhino because the selfie image was then of a larger nose? It is so important to find an accurate mirror or take measurements as sadly these phones do not have the correct focal lens for portraits.

 

[MissOrange]

Today's second post is a 3 week update on Dr O's affordable €1500 arm lipo under iv sedation. I can now see the improvement on the left arm too (top pics)! Wow! I have stopped wearing arm compression garments and can now wear strapless or sleeveless tops or dresses without fear of a bad arm photo! No more underweight bmi with overweight looking upper arms! Now my upper arms match my body. So for those on a budget, arm lipo in Belgium is the most affordable place in the Western world and you can practice your school French or German for fun. Beats £2700 in Hull, UK and $8000 in USA (both under local) and £4-5k in London (under GA).

I have measured my thighs and they are 18 inches circumference which matches a bmi of 18.3-18.5. Phew. No thigh lift needed. I feel like an old car needing body work and tune ups on a regular basis as the decades go by.

 

[Fortunecat]

Today's second post is a 3 week update on Dr O's affordable €1500 arm lipo under iv sedation. I can now see the improvement on the left arm too (top pics)! Wow! I have stopped wearing arm compression garments and can now wear strapless or sleeveless tops or dresses without fear of a bad arm photo! No more underweight bmi with overweight looking upper arms! Now my upper arms match my body. So for those on a budget, arm lipo in Belgium is the most affordable place in the Western world and you can practice your school French or German for fun. Beats £2700 in Hull, UK and $8000 in USA (both under local) and £4-5k in London (under GA).

I have measured my thighs and they are 18 inches circumference which matches a bmi of 18.3-18.5. Phew. No thigh lift needed. I feel like an old car needing body work and tune ups on a regular basis as the decades go by.

Yay!
@MissOrange Happy for you!!! You can stop thinking of arm lift now.

 

[MissOrange]

Today is a recap of how I improved my side profile over a period of 2 years. I had chin reduction and rib rhinoplasty first (right photo was post). When you have rhino and you get a complication, try to get it fixed for free or at a reduced price with your primary surgeon as revision with someone else will cost a fortune unless you have lost complete trust in the original surgeon. On the right is my nose post rib rhinoplasty and abscess which led to collapse of my nose tip rib cartilage. I persisted and the surgeon kindly fixed my nose within weeks (6 weeks postop) rather than have me wait a year as I was so depressed and anxious and could not face waiting a year and insisted the nose abscess be explored and properly cleaned out in theatre. The nose on the left is 2 years after he took me back to theatre, repositioned the collapsed rib cartilage and gave me the beautiful nose I had originally paid for, for the price of just the private hospital fee of £1.9k to repair.

Dr Seo at MVP performed revision eyelid surgery to excise the hooded skin with lid fat graft to fill the hollow and prevent an appearance of eye proptosis, and later performed full face fat graft (final photo is on the left). The upper lip was full of scar tissue and calcified filler lumps after decades of lip fillers which led to protrusion (see right photo). ID hospital years earlier had suggested 2 jaw surgery which was not necessary after chin reduction and lip filler/scar tissue removal. Dr Choi at MVP excised the upper lip filler with a vermillion lip lift. I then got a bullhorn lip lift to address the long philtrum and this finally perfected my side profile (left photo). I lightened my hair all the way to blonde professionally for £80 for a full head of highlights which softened my face. And now I do not wear any eye makeup as I noticed dark eye shadow does not work anymore. If you have over-plucked or non existent eyebrows then eyebrow tattoo with a soft brown colour helps balance the face too as we lose even eyebrow hair with age. I fill in the loss of vermillion colour on the sides of my upper lip with lipstick as bullhorn pulls up the lip to give somewhat of a rabbit look...a small imperfection I can live with. The next step is to try just mascara perhaps. Plastic surgery requires enormous patience and money and time investment if aiming for perfection. If you wish me to give you an opinion on what you may need doing to look more beautiful, send me a private message. But what happens is that usually the person already has decided on what they think will improve their look, and ends up ignoring my advice. Lol.

 

[Fortunecat]

I was watching a Taiwanese variety show and a plastic surgeon was commenting that Asians have flat temples in general as compared to Caucasians.
Hence, rather than doing zygoma reduction as that is the area where it is protruding out, why don't we make the temples fuller by using fillers or fat grafts? That way, the cheeks won't protrude as much as we thought.
Do you think its doable?

And, the plastic surgeon has also commented about the fat grafts on the face. He admitted that the fat grafts would create a space and that a higher volume of fats would be required for top ups, in order to fill up the enhanced space created by the first fat grafting.

 

[MissOrange]

I was watching a Taiwanese variety show and a plastic surgeon was commenting that Asians have flat temples in general as compared to Caucasians.
Hence, rather than doing zygoma reduction as that is the area where it is protruding out, why don't we make the temples fuller by using fillers or fat grafts? That way, the cheeks won't protrude as much as we thought.
Do you think its doable?

And, the plastic surgeon has also commented about the fat grafts on the face. He admitted that the fat grafts would create a space and that a higher volume of fats would be required for top ups, in order to fill up the enhanced space created by the first fat grafting.

Hi @Fortunecat I agree. Which is why facial fat graft to the forehead does balance out a flat or ridged brow and makes the zygoma less obvious. I noticed that after 4 fat grafts my skin has been stretched so instead of constant fg top ups to fill the space, I have used weight loss to shrink the skin and water to expand cells to plump. I pulled up one side of my facial skin and it overemphasized my tiny v line jaw and protruding zygoma. This means I need zygoma reduction before facelift at age 60. But I am worried about further skin sagging with zygoma reduction. Do I get a facelift at the same time or do I wait for the swelling to subside and do later. In any case the $20k cost is too much to contemplate doing anytime soon. I wish they could just simply shave like I had my chin shaved.

 

[MissOrange]

Okay I tried making a little speaking video. As it is my S9 phone camera making the selfie IG video, my face looks slimmer in my opinion. So this means videos of afters on instagram or youtube may be slightly different than meeting someone in real life as the S9 focal lens or Apple iphone focal lens may be used in filming the after video. Oh well I look good on my phone. Just make sure no one meets me in person! lol. My husband is making all the background squeaking noise. Going to now make a video in the late Princess Diana's voice...my party trick. lol



I wish I looked this good in real life! Why does my face not look like this in real life? Or do I have borderline bdd? Sigh. Why did they invent phone cameras to make us obsessed with selfies? And now selfie videos?