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Hermes Nuttynut said:
papertiger, please forgive me for posting one more time about animal testing. This should put the discussion of this issue to bed.
I contacted Hermes and this is their response:

“Thank you for visiting Hermes.com.

Animal testing is not allowed within the European Union. As we feel concerned by this regulation, Hermès does not proceed to any tests on animals for finished products or for the ingredients which compose them either.

We hope that our answer will relieve your concerns. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact an internet specialist at 1 800 441 4488 Option 1.”
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This is good to know and I very much appreciate you sharing. It does not address the question of animal testing in China. Hoping we will hear more about this soon
 
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luvprada said:
This is good to know and I very much appreciate you sharing. It does not address the question of animal testing in China. Hoping we will hear more about this soon
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The products will not be made in China, so there should be no concern. They will be manufactured in France and Italy.

I don’t know if they’ll be sold in China.
 
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Products made in China does not mean they will be required to do animal testing - China has stopped asking makeups and skincare manufactured in China to be tested on animals. But if they sell their products in China, then it is still required to have animal testings. Years ago Dior's lipsticks was tested to have too much lead contamination and it created an uproar in China.
 
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luvprada said:
This is good to know and I very much appreciate you sharing. It does not address the question of animal testing in China. Hoping we will hear more about this soon
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luvprada said:
It’s the ‘sold’ in China that could require animal testing. Hoping to learn more soon!
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SPBiaes said:
Products made in China does not mean they will be required to do animal testing - China has stopped asking makeups and skincare manufactured in China to be tested on animals. But if they sell their products in China, then it is still required to have animal testings. Years ago Dior's lipsticks was tested to have too much lead contamination and it created an uproar in China.
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momoc said:
So there are two ways to get around animal testing in China and companies have been doing both

1) If you don’t sell them in physical stores and use some sort of cross border e-commerce structure to ship and sell it. One company I know that does this is Illamasqua - who now has an official online store in tmall or Taobao that sells to the Chinese, while still remaining cruelty free (and no animal testing). Googling their brand and China takes you to their official statement on this. Colorpop does this too by shipping to China. I think a couple other brands also do this.

2) if you manufacture in China you don’t need animal testing (I know, weird). So companies can set up made in China factories and these actually don’t need animal testing. Brands that have done this are Physicians Formula and Wet n Wild (owner by the same group I believe)

So - required to do animal testing happens if they are made outside of China and sell not via cross border e-commerce in China. However based on what we have seen so far it’s likely Hermes actually falls in this category. Might be why their perfumes are like not CF (I assume they aren’t made in China). For now though I guess we don’t know what’s going to happen for sure yet.

(Sorry for OT mods)
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Mods have already asked us to drop this discussion. Perhaps everyone would be ok if we start a separate thread?
I, for one, would not mind a thread on Hermès CSR (corporate social responsibility practices) overall, including sustainability as well as animal rights/cruelty.
 
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