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#31
wongnumber said:
TT, I think we are hijacking, but never mind. :p

Do you think Italian women have changed/progressed so much? I see the mothers of my Italian friends, and they are/were so progressive for their time, so their daughters (my age) have not really progressed that much further.

Is it merely because nowadays women are not so willing to indulge the men that the Italian men are doing what little boys do when they don't get their way ie become more childish and demanding?

I totally agree re your adjectives for them.......
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Yes we are hijacking!

Wongnumber, I obviously agree with you when you say that the previous generation of italian women is the one that has done the larger part of the work.
I think it's not our generation but maybe the daughters of the daughters, well aware of what they want, of how much they are worth, both professionally and intimately who will be doing more.
I feel our generation is like lost in between the two:being women or being independent, and we just don't manage being the two but we work hard.
We are facing a business world that still is veeery sexist here, and have to work two times harder than men, and then work again on coming back home at night for house keeping and children. And as you said women are not willing to indulge the men.

On the other hand men are like going backwards, and I think the reason why they are behaving like little boys when they don't get their ways is that they are afraid because not being the boss anymore in a sexist country is a bit like being at wits-ends. They are so ridiculously demanding!
 
#32
TT - I totally agree and I think it will get even worse for the generation after us as more women become more prominent in the professional world.

I met a girl (prob 20 years old, max) at a dinner some time ago, she had spent a year in Italy studying design and had acquired an Italian boyfriend. He sounded far worse than any of the Italian men that other (older) women in the group had either married or dated. You should have heard how vocal the Italian women were about her not continuing to date him, and how it would get much worse.

The men are not the bosses in society anymore and so in consequence they become extremely controlling in the household, as they feel it is the last bastion of male superiority.
 
#33
wongnumber said:
TT - I totally agree and I think it will get even worse for the generation after us as more women become more prominent in the professional world.

I met a girl (prob 20 years old, max) at a dinner some time ago, she had spent a year in Italy studying design and had acquired an Italian boyfriend. He sounded far worse than any of the Italian men that other (older) women in the group had either married or dated. You should have heard how vocal the Italian women were about her not continuing to date him, and how it would get much worse.

The men are not the bosses in society anymore and so in consequence they become extremely controlling in the household, as they feel it is the last bastion of male superiority.
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:yes: :yes: :yes: Which means they end up not being "real men" anymore.

Will you marry me Wongnumber?? :love: (I was engaged and I was about to get married one year ago, but I had to throw at my boyfriend my engagement ring, since I found out that he cheated, for the 20th time, 48hrs after giving me the ring. I guess I still am a bit :shocked: shocked)
 
#35
trama turgo said:
:yes: :yes: :yes: Which means they end up not being "real men" anymore.

Will you marry me Wongnumber?? :love: (I was engaged and I was about to get married one year ago, but I had to throw at my boyfriend my engagement ring, since I found out that he cheated, for the 20th time, 48hrs after giving me the ring. I guess I still am a bit :shocked: shocked)
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Yes, yes, yes, I will marry you happily, TramaTurgo, but will you cook, clean and slave away while I sit like a prince(ss?) and read the newspaper while you clear the dishes after cooking the meal, and then I will complain the pasta is not al dente??? :roflmfao: :roflmfao: (My italian boyfriend did that. Although he never complained once about my cooking, luckily for him, otherwise he would have been punched in the face.)

I'm sorry to hear about the b*st*rd fiance. :cursing: However, it was lucky you got out BEFORE you married him.

Actually I'm surprised (like HG) that you only threw the ring back at him. I have a friend (Italian) who says that her last Italian boyfriend was also notorious for cheating on her. And their town is not very big, everyone knows everyone else's business. Since then she has only dated non-Italian men. (Luckily she's also not living in Italy anymore, otherwise her market would be very limited.)
 
#36
Pasta? Did you say pasta? :shocked: Mine complained about cookin too, ON TOP of all the others.

And hhmmmm... I should have been more precise and hhmmmmm...I forgot to mention that when I found out, on top of doing the ring thing, I also jumped over him and starter beating him :shocked: . But he was obviously stronger so I didn't do any harm as he managed to stop my punches :shocked: , but that was funny though :graucho: . It was the first and only time in my life I've completely lost my temper:shocked:.
 
#37
^TT, That was funny about you trying to punch him up. Maybe you should take a leaf from HG's book and do lots and lots of weight training (see the thread on petite women and 35 Birkins). This would be good practise for the next Italian, if you're brave enough. The other thing would be to use a heavy object, like the chair HG suggested. (Never throw a Birkin, no matter how heavily loaded, that would be a waste of a good bag.) And you know what, I think I would have kept the ring!!! (Was it at least a nice one?)

He complained about your cooking too???? Did he say his mamma cooked better? (They usually do.) Luckily mine did not complain. But then again, how many non-Italian women would be cooking him risotti ai funghi, spaghetti a la bottarga and making pesto from scratch for him from a recipe from Il Cucchiaio d'Argento?? Ungrateful beast!

If we're ever in Paris at the same time, we must meet to compare notes!
 
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I can't join in this conversation, because all my boyfriends have been Jewish...............so I actually cooked better than their mother. Besides, they wouldn't have DARED complain about my cooking or cleaning. I've been known to go on strike.:feminist:
 
#39
wongnumber said:
^TT, That was funny about you trying to punch him up. Maybe you should take a leaf from HG's book and do lots and lots of weight training (see the thread on petite women and 35 Birkins). This would be good practise for the next Italian, if you're brave enough. The other thing would be to use a heavy object, like the chair HG suggested. (Never throw a Birkin, no matter how heavily loaded, that would be a waste of a good bag.) And you know what, I think I would have kept the ring!!! (Was it at least a nice one?)
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:roflmfao: :roflmfao: :roflmfao: OoooooMG! you crack me uuuuuuup! I can't stop laughing!:roflmfao: :roflmfao: :roflmfao: I never thought my H goodies could be so useful for non H purposes!!!

The ring was a Bucellati lacy diamond one, and it was such a priceless satisfaction to throw it at him that I could never have kept it. I am not Paris Hilton!

wongnumber said:
He complained about your cooking too???? Did he say his mamma cooked better? (They usually do.) Luckily mine did not complain. But then again, how many non-Italian women would be cooking him risotti ai funghi, spaghetti a la bottarga and making pesto from scratch for him from a recipe from Il Cucchiaio d'Argento?? Ungrateful beast!

If we're ever in Paris at the same time, we must meet to compare notes!
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I can't believe you did that for him!!! That's AMAZING, and the Cucchiaio d'Argento as well! I can't believe it! You probably were too good for the da....d bastard and he felt he absolutely had to lower you! Ungrateful beast!:wlae:

We absolutely have to meet next time I'll be in Paris(in about a couple of months). Do you live there or do you just go back and forth from time to time as I do?
 
#40
hermesgroupie said:
I can't join in this conversation, because all my boyfriends have been Jewish...............so I actually cooked better than their mother. Besides, they wouldn't have DARED complain about my cooking or cleaning. I've been known to go on strike.:feminist:
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HG you are welcome in this conversation, Jewishness could be an interesting variation on our theme :roflmfao: .

For what's regarding cookery it wasn't his mother that was the problem, but it was his previous wife who was a professional cook. I mean :wtf: can't I be lucky for once in my life?!? So you know this could happen to you too, you're not safe.


I think the strike threathen is the better attitude though. Go on like that!
 
#43
I have really enjoyed reading about Italian men, this is great.

TT, so sorry to read of this horrible cheat. Next, question are French men any better? Would love to hear you ladies weigh in on this on.
 
#44
Let me say I LOVE italian men.:graucho: I think they are polite and sensitive and passionate, and they love to treat women as princesses. ;)

TT, I think there is the outlet town in Serravalle, much closer to Milan then the one near Florence.:smile1:
 
#45
costa said:
Let me say I LOVE italian men.:graucho: I think they are polite and sensitive and passionate, and they love to treat women as princesses. ;)

TT, I think there is the outlet town in Serravalle, much closer to Milan then the one near Florence.:smile1:
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Costa, yes, I perfectly know the Serravalle one (it was the first big one opened in Italy, and that was done by... another ex boyfriend of mine:wtf: :wtf: . But that's another story...)

The reason why the Florence ones are my fav is that it's the only one were you find such a big concentration of high end designers, there is not only The Mall with loro piana burberry bottega veneta gucci YSL balenciaga sergio rossi and so on, but near the place called The Mall there are other outlets, Fendi, Céline, Loewe, dolce &gabbana, and another one for prada.

On the opposite Serravalle has a couple of highend designers but it's mixed with a lot of low profile brands.;)
 
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