Harry and Meghan Appreciation Thread

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#391
I like that everyone now has a comfortable place to talk about H&M whichever side they're on but I guess what I meant was... I wish we could have one civilized place where no one is called a sugar or a troll. But anyway lest I go off the reservation again.... I thought the documentary is a lot more engaging than the podcast. Something about how it's like "this is all about us, our story, told by us and nothing else" sets my expectation appropriately so I receive it better. I go into the podcast with the mindset that it's going to be 95% about the guest and I think it's meant to be more 50/50. I agree that the documentary was maybe a tad boring but I'll still watch the next eps tomorrow.

Curious if anything in the documentary changed someone's mind about a topic or surprised them? I was pretty shocked by the Samantha Markle thing (didn't change my mind about her though).
 
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#392
lalame said:
I like that everyone now has a comfortable place to talk about H&M whichever side they're on but I guess what I meant was... I wish we could have one civilized place where no one is called a sugar or a troll. But anyway lest I go off the reservation again.... I thought the documentary is a lot more engaging than the podcast. Something about how it's like "this is all about us, our story, told by us and nothing else" sets my expectation appropriately so I receive it better. I go into the podcast with the mindset that it's going to be 95% about the guest and I think it's meant to be more 50/50. I agree that the documentary was maybe a tad boring but I'll still watch the next eps tomorrow.

Curious if anything in the documentary changed someone's mind about a topic or surprised them? I was pretty shocked by the Samantha Markle thing (didn't change my mind about her though).
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It’s hard to explain but while watching the documentary I liked them more than I thought I would. Not enough to really change how I feel about them, but I liked the way they came across during it. If I didn’t know as much about them as I do, I think it would have made me learn favorably towards them.
 
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#394
lalame said:
Curious if anything in the documentary changed someone's mind about a topic or surprised them?
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I'm going to be very honest....the documentary helped me like Harry A LOT more. Before this, I questioned whether he was really in love with Meghan (the person), or was he blinded by the lust of a woman who was sexy to him as well as smart, and more importantly, could be his convenient scapegoat out of royal life. His hastened courtship without adequately preparing her for royal life didn't help much with that opinion (although I know other factors were in place considering Meghan's age). This was contrast to his brother, who I feel took more of a personal ownership and responsibility to ensure Kate was ready for royal life as future Queen - even if it meant delaying marriage. That shows a level of maturity, empathy, and an attempt to not repeat what he saw his mother go thru as an inexperienced and naive "princess".

I also felt like Harry didn't do enough to help thwart Meghan bearing most of the blame for what was their joint decision to leave as working royals. When he did speak with the media (e.g., Oprah interview), I felt he left a lot of the talking up to Meghan when the subject was HIS family, not hers. The press is one thing but I also felt like he wasn't as forthcoming with the part he played in the breakdown of the relationship with his family, especially his father. I've been critical of KCIII and I do think he sanctioned putting Harry to the fire at times to protect William's image. However, its not lost on me "gave away" Meghan in front of millions at their wedding. KCIII is not one to make many (public) sacrifices and he didn't stay with Diana for the sake of his kids, so I believe he had to have some affection for Harry to do that. I am curious what their falling out was really all about, and if Charles did make reasonable requests of them to stay longer so a cleaner path outside of royal life could be drawn for them, and if Harry tried to work with him.

After watching the first three episodes and the trailer for the next one, it became clear to me that Harry is a standup guy who truly and deeply loves Meghan and his children. That is unquestionably clear. I believe he had genuine fears for their family's safety because of the targeted and orchestrated press attacks against Meghan. As much as people like to call them spoiled I can say with 100% certainty as a middle class American working 9-5 with student loan debt I would NEVER EVER want their life - at all.
 
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PurseUOut said:
I'm going to be very honest....the documentary helped me like Harry A LOT more. Before this, I questioned whether he was really in love with Meghan (the person), or was he blinded by the lust of a woman who was sexy to him as well as smart, and more importantly, could be his convenient scapegoat out of royal life. His hastened courtship without adequately preparing her for royal life didn't help much with that opinion (although I know other factors were in place considering Meghan's age). This was contrast to his brother, who I feel took more of a personal ownership and responsibility to ensure Kate was ready for royal life as future Queen - even if it meant delaying marriage. That shows a level of maturity, empathy, and an attempt to not repeat what he saw his mother go thru as an inexperienced and naive "princess".

I also felt like Harry didn't do enough to help thwart Meghan bearing most of the blame for what was their joint decision to leave as working royals. When he did speak with the media (e.g., Oprah interview), I felt he left a lot of the talking up to Meghan when the subject was HIS family, not hers. The press is one thing but I also felt like he wasn't as forthcoming with the part he played in the breakdown of the relationship with his family, especially his father. I've been critical of KCIII and I do think he sanctioned putting Harry to the fire at times to protect William's image. However, its not lost on me "gave away" Meghan in front of millions at their wedding. KCIII is not one to make many (public) sacrifices and he didn't stay with Diana for the sake of his kids, so I believe he had to have some affection for Harry to do that. I am curious what their falling out was really all about, and if Charles did make reasonable requests of them to stay longer so a cleaner path outside of royal life could be drawn for them, and if Harry tried to work with him.

After watching the first three episodes and the trailer for the next one, it became clear to me that Harry is a standup guy who truly and deeply loves Meghan and his children. That is unquestionably clear. I believe he had genuine fears for their family's safety because of the targeted and orchestrated press attacks against Meghan. As much as people like to call them spoiled I can say with 100% certainty as a middle class American working 9-5 with student loan debt I would NEVER EVER want their life - at all.
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Well said.
 
#399
You can't help the family you are born into, and a lot of families are very dysfunctional. I can't fault them for that. Not to mention they come from completely different backgrounds (race, socio-economic, and country) and are products of divorce which make the meshing even more challenging. At least they have Doria and her side of the family they are close too.
 
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prettyprincess said:
Lol, it’s really not the same. Also, why shouldn’t she defend herself? The press should just be allowed to tear her to shreds and she should just take it?
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I think a lot of this rabid hostility toward Meghan is precisely because she isn't a sacrificial lamb. Look what they are doing to poor Ms. Fulani whose only crime was having the audacity to share her experience with intrusive, disrespectful, REPEATED questioning of her background from a representative of KP at an event she was invited to. The rabids antagonized and harassed her so bad she had to shut down her charity. And we are supposed to believe Meghan is out of line for speaking out and defending herself when we see the attacks of others happening in real time??
 
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I wouldn’t assume they weren’t invited to the wedding. Doria was 60 years old at the time of the wedding and Meghan is her only child - most of her close family would have been around her age or older/retired or working age with children. As no one from Doria’s side sold Meghan out to the press, they are likely simple hardworking people who love her genuinely, value their privacy, and opted to avoid the life upending chaos of being outed and stalked by the rabid UK press. Not to mention, maybe they had health/childcare/work constraints and couldn’t jump up and travel 12 hours to the UK? Or they didn’t have passports? Maybe some of them were actually there… secretly? Nobody knows.
 
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