E-ring from Blue Nile/reputable online retailers with Tiffany classic setting?

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#1
Hi there!

You may have seen my other thread regarding the upgrade of my existing E-ring. While I'm going through that process with Tiffany, I'm also working on scoping out a diamond for a family member hoping to propose within the next couple months!

He is searching for approximately 1.2 round brilliant closest to Tiffany 6 prong classic setting, G/H colour, VS1/VS2. Budget - $10kish. Is there an online retailer that sells a setting closest to that of Tiffany?

Any opinions on this diamond from Bluenile? HCA scores at 0.8. I've tried limiting the angles etc on the Bluenile website, however, this seems to be the best I can find so far...

Selected: 60.9% depth, 57% table, 32.5° crown angle, 41° pavilion angle

Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 0.8 - Excellent
within TIC range

Thank you very much for any opinions!
 
#3
If hes willing to consider a lower color, with fluor, which will cancel some warmth. These all look WHOA.

And, have a pretty believable setting to go with:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/e...pered-tiffany-style-half-round-platinum-5540p

Or these two also good:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/e...assic-tiffany-style-half-round-platinum-5478p

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/e...assic-tiffany-style-knife-edge-platinum-5336p

Looks AMAZING:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...1.211-I-VS1-Round-Diamond-AGS-BL-104063639012

Another winner:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...1.150-H-VS2-Round-Diamond-AGS-BL-104063639005

Another, slightly larger table:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...1.266-J-VS2-Round-Diamond-AGS-BL-104063998007

Holy mother of whoa:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...1.220-J-VS1-Round-Diamond-AGS-BL-104063639013

Slightly larger table, still gorgeous looking:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...1.208-I-VS2-Round-Diamond-AGS-BL-104063998003

The closest I've seen in the market settingwise is the Vatche U113, but to my knowledge BGD doesn't sell it, neither does Blue Nile. GOG does,

Here's one, it's in the 8,000 range (if you click reserve it shows the price)
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10004/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10450/
$9,100ish
 
#4
It could go a little over for the setting but probably $11k max. I'm also concerned about different online retailers and FX since I'm located in Canada and I'm assuming most of these online retailers are US based? 1.2 carats is the goal, but if it has to be reduced, I'm afraid that is the budget we're working with... Thank you!
 
#5
The ones I posted are US based but ship to Canada all the time. Including the settings, the BGD ones should ALL come in under 10K USD and allow for taxes and import, hopefully. Bec there will be taxes/import most likely.
 
#8
Hi there!
What do you think of this diamond? He can't think outside of the box wrt fluor., so he's considering Si2 clarity in order to decrease the price. Also based on culture (everyone preaches DEF in his gf circle), colour is very important and he's looking at E/F and can't really compromise much less than a G (with strong preference for higher colour). He's also limiting himself to Blue Nile as they have a CDN location and therefore won't be charged duties (just local taxes) - which is a huge ~20% savings.

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/round-di...ty_LD03219646?tempcurr=CAD&click_id=552049599

Your help is much appreciated!!
 
#9
Honestly I would pass on that. There's almost no way it will be eye clean with that plot.

Here's my serious advice on this situation-- Keep in mind, I am a pasty redhead from middle America with zero culture, and I am trying to save him money and heartbreak in an already stressful and nerve-wracking process, NOT be an a$$hole. I really do have his best interests at heart:

If you're worried about a cultural stigma and sticking to a higher color, I would probably avoid an SI2/low clarity to keep the higher color because if there happens to be a black crystal inclusion, that is going to reflect around inside the stone and darken the stone overall. He's better off going higher clarity and F-G-H (or G-H with fluor) color and smaller on the stone if he's worried about that sort of stuff. I know he's not keen on a lower color with fluor (Why I cannot fathom!) but NO ONE will know it's a G-H with fluor vs a DEF but him/her, unless they tell someone it is. It does not make it less beautiful. It's not going to be yellow. But it will allow them to get a nicer stone. I think she will appreciate a nicer, higher clarity stone than an higher color lower clarity stone. I could be projecting that, but I know I would. I don't know how much of a surprise this is, but perhaps he should include her in that decision?

I know he wants to buy from BN Canada, but I would strongly, STRONGLY caution against an SI2 sight unseen online unless he's buying from a site like BGD, GOG, or WF or the like from the US and paying the import fees. With BlueNile are no images to indicate the actual inclusions, so either he needs to come up on his clarity and go down on size or color or up the budget to get all of his wants. He's not being realistic for the budget he's set to get that size AND get a high color and clean stone. T

here ARE very eye clean SI2's out there. But an SI clarity is something you can't just pick on paper. You have to pick those with your eyes/pictures to see what you're getting, because if he buys that stone and it arrives and he sees a giant black goober right in the middle....he's going to be crushed, have to send it back, and start all over again. Or if he doesn't and SHE does? Or someone in her friend or family circle and point is out? How's that going to make him feel? Not great.

The biggest issue he will have with a site like Blue Nile is that they don't have all of those stones in house. They're a drop shipper, so they can't always tell you if that stone is eye clean or not. They have to call someone to find out, and then you have to rely on someone else's definition of eye clean.
 
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#10
Wow, thanks Ame. I appreciate your honesty and advice. Okay, I was unsure about Si2 sight unseen as well. I guess will sticking to VS1/VS2 be safe?

Bluenile does have the report showing the inclusions (type/location), although that doesn't help me one bit in identifying what it will look like irl! She is part of the process (it will ultimately be a surprise, but she has opinions lol) which is why this is complicated...of course influence of friends etc too doesn't help!

Okay, since he wants to stay with bluenile (easier return policy being in same country, and no additional duties) I think these are likely better, what do you think - any potential contenders/favourite one?

Ideal cut, F colour, one is VS1 (HCA 1.6), the other is VS2 (HCA 0.7).

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-yo...r=BYOR|forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|pid=LD03331595

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-yo...r=BYOR|forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|pid=LD03331835

thanks!!
 
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#11
Ok, not to be blunt, but her friends are not wearing this ring. So she and he need to stop caring what their friends think and get what they can afford and wish to have. They're not wearing a cert, and their friends won't see the cert. They'll see an AMAZING diamond.

The plot on that VS1 is much better and will almost certainly be eye clean. Since you cannot see these in photos or in person, I would push the VS1 over the VS2. That plot on the VS2 doesn't guarantee eye clean, nor does it give any indication of what the stone will look like, and not all VS2 are eye clean, unfortunately.

I do wish they'd go with a G in color at least, G VS1 maybe would be a sweet spot.

This is an interesting one, an F with SB. This might look like an E or a D. They'd have to ask BN to view this to see if it is milky. It's probably not, but ask.

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-yo...r=BYOR|forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|pid=LD03326279
 
#13
Wow. I would follow Ame's advice. Did your friends ever go to a jeweler to compare (for example) a D color with an I color? Not next to each other but one at the time... Chances are that they will not see any difference face up. Color says something about rarity (and personal preference if you are very color sensitive) not about beauty... And the only thing that matters is if your friends are happy, not 'Friends and Family'.

I learned the hard way, being blissfully happy with the fact that the first diamonds I bought were 'top wesselton' or 'wesselton'. Unfortunately I knew nothing about the influence of cut quality on a stone.

Good luck in this process advicing your friends!
 
#14
ame said:
Honestly I would pass on that. There's almost no way it will be eye clean with that plot.

Here's my serious advice on this situation-- Keep in mind, I am a pasty redhead from middle America with zero culture, and I am trying to save him money and heartbreak in an already stressful and nerve-wracking process, NOT be an a$$hole. I really do have his best interests at heart:

If you're worried about a cultural stigma and sticking to a higher color, I would probably avoid an SI2/low clarity to keep the higher color because if there happens to be a black crystal inclusion, that is going to reflect around inside the stone and darken the stone overall. He's better off going higher clarity and F-G-H (or G-H with fluor) color and smaller on the stone if he's worried about that sort of stuff. I know he's not keen on a lower color with fluor (Why I cannot fathom!) but NO ONE will know it's a G-H with fluor vs a DEF but him/her, unless they tell someone it is. It does not make it less beautiful. It's not going to be yellow. But it will allow them to get a nicer stone. I think she will appreciate a nicer, higher clarity stone than an higher color lower clarity stone. I could be projecting that, but I know I would. I don't know how much of a surprise this is, but perhaps he should include her in that decision?

I know he wants to buy from BN Canada, but I would strongly, STRONGLY caution against an SI2 sight unseen online unless he's buying from a site like BGD, GOG, or WF or the like from the US and paying the import fees. With BlueNile are no images to indicate the actual inclusions, so either he needs to come up on his clarity and go down on size or color or up the budget to get all of his wants. He's not being realistic for the budget he's set to get that size AND get a high color and clean stone. T

here ARE very eye clean SI2's out there. But an SI clarity is something you can't just pick on paper. You have to pick those with your eyes/pictures to see what you're getting, because if he buys that stone and it arrives and he sees a giant black goober right in the middle....he's going to be crushed, have to send it back, and start all over again. Or if he doesn't and SHE does? Or someone in her friend or family circle and point is out? How's that going to make him feel? Not great.

The biggest issue he will have with a site like Blue Nile is that they don't have all of those stones in house. They're a drop shipper, so they can't always tell you if that stone is eye clean or not. They have to call someone to find out, and then you have to rely on someone else's definition of eye clean.
Click to expand...

What a great and thoughtful response. When I go for an upgrade, I'm coming to AME for advice!
 
#15
ame said:
Ok, not to be blunt, but her friends are not wearing this ring. So she and he need to stop caring what their friends think and get what they can afford and wish to have. They're not wearing a cert, and their friends won't see the cert. They'll see an AMAZING diamond.

The plot on that VS1 is much better and will almost certainly be eye clean. Since you cannot see these in photos or in person, I would push the VS1 over the VS2. That plot on the VS2 doesn't guarantee eye clean, nor does it give any indication of what the stone will look like, and not all VS2 are eye clean, unfortunately.

I do wish they'd go with a G in color at least, G VS1 maybe would be a sweet spot.

This is an interesting one, an F with SB. This might look like an E or a D. They'd have to ask BN to view this to see if it is milky. It's probably not, but ask.

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-yo...r=BYOR|forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|pid=LD03326279
Click to expand...

Okay they are considering G again now lol So like you said I believe G VS1 might be the best option in their price range, if the purchase is from Bluenile. So with that, what do you think of this one?

1.22 G VS1 (HCA of 2.4 - all VG)

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-yo...r=BYOR|forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|pid=LD03331836

Thanks!!
 
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