Demna appointed new Artistic Director @Gucci

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The bigger picture and th financial sector echos the views on this thread, Kering shares 12% down in one day. That is HUGE:


They don't think Demna is up to it.
I think the real issue is one with investors…

They might need to come to terms with the fact that constant growth is unsustainable. (You can throw a fit and mix up creative direction as much as they want but some years will be good and some will be less so)

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Maybe having fashion run by apathetic bean counters isn’t in the best interest of anyone.
 
I think the real issue is one with investors…

They might need to come to terms with the fact that constant growth is unsustainable. (You can throw a fit and mix up creative direction as much as they want but some years will be good and some will be less so)

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Maybe having fashion run by apathetic bean counters isn’t in the best interest of anyone.

ITA 💯

Their expectations have been/are totally unrealistic. However, unfortunately, the power of luxury's non-consumer is huge, brand perception is everything.
 
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To me, the problem doesn't lie with Gucci but Kering.

Share-prices will sadly affect all because equally sadly business is built 99% on confidence (or lack thereof).

Kering doesn't seem to understand when to do what and what to do when. LVMH seems far more strategically stealthy when it comes to public-facing news. For example, in comparison, LV put out a teaser that they are collaborating with Pat McGrath on a makeup launch 'sometime', and LVMH shares rose. The ink was probably just drying on the contract. Never mind Pat's own eponymous brand wiped millions off its own business lately by repeated lacklustre artistic vision, Pat is a brand in herself because she's a creative. This LV X PMcG news was a complete non-event, but it got influencers chit-shattering. Same with Prada last year, they repositioned themselves with theirs, PRADA took over dept store fronts and made a huge splashes visually.

Contrast, Pat McGrath collaboration in 2014 with Gucci. It was one of the first luxury houses to launch an entire MU line for decades. Hardly anyone can remember the launch. It wasn't announced until the makeup launched in full, denying the delayed gratification content creators love so much (and allowing for at least 4 vids per CC).

The difference is the mainstream doesn't really care about Pat's brand outside the beauty community like they do LVMH v Kering v Richemont v Prada Group v Hermes; the battle of the luxury brand positioning - which is a football game to most and decides which new aftershave they'll buy at the next stopover. New is always exciting, the promise of something new, even more so. What they know is - makeup worked for Prada, and they only know about 3 MUA names.

When Demna arrived at Bal he was riding high as the enfant terrible of fashion, non-reverential and the anti-fashion upstart. 'Demna' is not a magic brand at this point. There are very few hero products he's created, Bal even had to reissue the City bag and others from NG's reign. Demna is a creative but not a creator.

I am still optimistic Demna will do an equivalence at Gucci the way MM or JPG did at Hermes. Demna's reign will be under the rein. Gucci already have a wealth of icons and hero products for Demna to deconstruct, subvert and reimagine. AM didn't create much new either, he just reissued vintage stuff from the archive and chucked things together like the postmodernist he is.

Demna seems like a person Kering have a good relationship with, that's also important. They also didn't have someone stringing out a negotiating deal 'forever' because they needed someone now. IMO, it's actually a practical choice as well as a controversial one.

I am not a Kering shareholder, I care more about the quality, wearability and beauty of my next pair of bags and shoes that brand positioning. As a consumer, I absolutely blame Kering for drops in Gucci sales and everything that has happened since that started hiking prices to stupid levels over all their brands including BV, and more importantly Bal, McQueen and SLP which buy their leather-goods from Gucci and has a knock-on effect to what are listed under Gucci's figs in Q. Reports.

We are back to 'we will just have to wait and see'.
 
Gucci is heritage luxury... Equestrian, the Savoy Hotel, Jackie Kennedy, Princess Diana, Tom Ford... On the same level as Hermès and Chanel, but most definitely NOT treated that way by Kering.

This is frankly a disaster IMO.
Gucci is top notch, but IDK if they're on the same level as Hermès and Chanel. There are a lot of Gucci fakes here.
 
Gucci is top notch, but IDK if they're on the same level as Hermès and Chanel. There are a lot of Gucci fakes here.
What do fakes have to do with anything?

I agree with @Deneuveness ‘s sentiment about brand history and the legacy of workmanship (which perhaps has not been under the best stewardship with Kering). But pretty much the only brand one doesn’t hear complaints about declining quality is Hermes, because rather than chase profits via corporate ownership, growth, insane price increases, etc., they have remained focused on maintaining quality.

That ship has sailed everywhere else. But in terms of design, perhaps the Demna era will be akin to JPG at Hermes. Time will tell.
 
What do fakes have to do with anything?

I agree with @Deneuveness ‘s sentiment about brand history and the legacy of workmanship (which perhaps has not been under the best stewardship with Kering). But pretty much the only brand one doesn’t hear complaints about declining quality is Hermes, because rather than chase profits via corporate ownership, growth, insane price increases, etc., they have remained focused on maintaining quality.

That ship has sailed everywhere else. But in terms of design, perhaps the Demna era will be akin to JPG at Hermes. Time will tell.
It makes it less desirable hence why Gucci's revenue is in decline. There's a noticeable amount of ppl getting Gucci fakes compared to Hermès and Chanel fakes.
 
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It makes it less desirable hence why Gucci's revenue is in decline. There's a noticeable amount of ppl getting Gucci fakes compared to Hermès and Chanel fakes.
Data?

1) People who buy fakes are not typically actual customers of whatever brand, so their purchases aren't taking away sales.
2) "Noticeable" to whom? And where? Walk just one block of Canal St. and you'll see that Gucci is not the leader in brands being ripped off.
 
Data?

1) People who buy fakes are not typically actual customers of whatever brand, so their purchases aren't taking away sales.
2) "Noticeable" to whom? And where? Walk just one block of Canal St. and you'll see that Gucci is not the leader in brands being ripped off.
As Gucci raised the prices of its luxury merchandise, aspirational buyers (wannabee rich) became priced out, so they bought fakes instead.



If you don't have a The Times/Vogue Business membership, enter the link here, https://archive.ph/

You're probably right though, I haven't looked into it in depth.
 
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As Gucci raised the prices of its luxury merchandise, aspirational buyers (wannabee rich) became priced out, so they bought fakes instead.



If you don't have a The Times/Vogue Business membership, enter the link here, https://archive.ph/

You're probably right though, I haven't looked into it in depth.
Thanks for the links. Only the first article addresses fakes and it's anecdotal. My takeaway is the problems are self-inflicted and pricing related. Sadly a magic new CD isn't going to solve that.
 
It makes it less desirable hence why Gucci's revenue is in decline. There's a noticeable amount of ppl getting Gucci fakes compared to Hermès and Chanel fakes.
I can't speak for Chanel but I reckon there are HEAPS of Hermes fakes out there. Obviously I can't quantify this, just a gut feel.

I'm not sure if the parallel between raising prices and more fakes is true, fakes have been around for ages. I just feel it's bigger business nowadays, and this is across all popular brands. From Nike to Cartier, to Hermes and so on.
 
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