Charlie Sheen

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#721
Ladybug09 said:
^^Don't forget sex, he ain't giving them money for nothing!
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I dont know if you all remember during the Heidi Fleiss trial, Charlie said...and I am paraphrasing, something along the lines of...I dont pay them for sex, i pay them to leave....

Its just amazing to me that he is shamelessly hanging all this twisted laundry out for everyone to see. Its just disgusting.

then again, I have a normal brain, so I cant process it, even from in my octagon.

ETA: I just read that he borrowed that quote from Cary Grant...
 
#723
Ladybug09 said:
He would have interviewed him cause that was his job. Charlie sheen isn't first, nor will he be the last drug addicted celebrity.

I read that his publicist quit. Also yesterday I heard a rumor that he is being offered a show on Showtime that will pay him I believe $10Million per episode.

He may be a nut, but he is a hit maker.
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If this were just about a drugged up celebrity that would be one thing -- I think this goes much farther than drugs and alcohol and I honestly believe that this guy is having a mental breakdown of some kind. All of the interviews and TV cameras are just fueling his flame -- I haven't decided whether or not to watch tonight's 20/20. The clips I've seen are very disturbing with Charlie looking completely disheveled, puffing away on a cigarette like it's the last one on earth, erratic thoughts and speech patterns -- The guy is obviously ill and I think the media outlets fighting their way in for interviews and racing to be the first to air those are contributing to his downfall -- I think it stopped being funny after the second rant on the radio and now -- well I think it's gotten far out of control, both Carlie Sheen AND the media

(I doubt the TV show on Showtime is anything real -- he said he had a show lined up/HBO last week & that it was almost a "done deal" -- HBO put out a statement saying that it was 100% false and that there were NO plans to sign a contract w/Charlie Sheen. It's just like his "tell-all" book -- no respectable publisher is going to enter into a contract w/Charlie Sheen right now -- he's not of sound mind. Besides, he's still under contract to CBS for another year, so he CAN'T do another show right now. Showtime is also owned by Viacom, a partner of CBS, so I highly doubt that they're gonna give him ANOTHER show)
 
#724
I am not disagreeing, but you know, I read a few interviews with him (I have the flu) yesterday, and today that Playboy interview from ten years ago, and certainly he has always been grandiose. I agree that it seem is is unraveling at a pretty fast clip, but this behavior is not really new, though it seems more amped up, for sure. The manner of speaking he has is pretty consistent, it seems.

I am by NO MEANS saying he is fine...I am just saying that I wonder if he has always been this way, but now the lid is flying further off, if that makes sense.
 
#725
I do think Charlie borders on being a genius and I think sometimes his choice of words and topics of conversations can go far above the heads of most people and I know that's not new behavior. And the arrogance has always been there, a level of a superiority - I just think added to that, he's got this manic-type behavior going on -- I mean the clip I saw from 20/20 (or GMA?) where he's puffing away on a cigarette -- his eyes are big black marbles w/large bags & circles underneath, his hair is a mess, he's rocking back & forth in his chair - he almost looked crazed. From what I've seen from that interview, it doesn't look "entertaining" (from the clips I saw from The TODAY show interview, he looked "better")

I just wish the media would back off a little -- I mean his two little boys were in the house when he gave the Today show interview!! While they're too young to realize what's going on, it's certainly got to have an effect on them (and if they were there when he gave the Today Show interview, I wonder if they were there when he gave the 20/20-GMA one?)
 
#726
He has been bombastic in the past, but he is barely coherent in his recent rants. Maybe it is some sort of mental illness. Or it could be that years of drug abuse has caused irreversible damage to his brain.
 
#728
iluvmybags said:
I do think Charlie borders on being a genius and I think sometimes his choice of words and topics of conversations can go far above the heads of most people and I know that's not new behavior. And the arrogance has always been there, a level of a superiority - I just think added to that, he's got this manic-type behavior going on -- I mean the clip I saw from 20/20 (or GMA?) where he's puffing away on a cigarette -- his eyes are big black marbles w/large bags & circles underneath, his hair is a mess, he's rocking back & forth in his chair - he almost looked crazed. From what I've seen from that interview, it doesn't look "entertaining" (from the clips I saw from The TODAY show interview, he looked "better")

I just wish the media would back off a little -- I mean his two little boys were in the house when he gave the Today show interview!! While they're too young to realize what's going on, it's certainly got to have an effect on them (and if they were there when he gave the Today Show interview, I wonder if they were there when he gave the 20/20-GMA one?)
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That's probably the only time those kids are safe...when there is a third party present...
 
#729
bag-mania said:
He has been bombastic in the past, but he is barely coherent in his recent rants. Maybe it is some sort of mental illness. Or it could be that years of drug abuse has caused irreversible damage to his brain.
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yes. from his descriptions of his drug use, it sounds like he is pretty reckless and unconventional, even for a user. No doubt some grey matter got fried in the process.
 
#730
iluvmybags said:
I do think Charlie borders on being a genius and I think sometimes his choice of words and topics of conversations can go far above the heads of most people and I know that's not new behavior. And the arrogance has always been there, a level of a superiority - I just think added to that, he's got this manic-type behavior going on -- I mean the clip I saw from 20/20 (or GMA?) where he's puffing away on a cigarette -- his eyes are big black marbles w/large bags & circles underneath, his hair is a mess, he's rocking back & forth in his chair - he almost looked crazed. From what I've seen from that interview, it doesn't look "entertaining" (from the clips I saw from The TODAY show interview, he looked "better")

I just wish the media would back off a little -- I mean his two little boys were in the house when he gave the Today show interview!! While they're too young to realize what's going on, it's certainly got to have an effect on them (and if they were there when he gave the Today Show interview, I wonder if they were there when he gave the 20/20-GMA one?)
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That's on their father and mother, IMO.
 
#731
iluvmybags said:
...I just wish the media would back off a little --
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um...Charlie is the one who started all this by calling every radio station and television outlet that would hear him. He has the right to refuse any interview but he is the one egging it on.

bag-mania said:
He has been bombastic in the past, but he is barely coherent in his recent rants. Maybe it is some sort of mental illness. Or it could be that years of drug abuse has caused irreversible damage to his brain.
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Addiction is a progressive illness. You cannot cure it and it only gets worse if left unmanaged. All we are seeing (mental illness aside because no one knows if that exists in him) is the result of years of drug/alcohol abuse. He has been poisoning himself for years and this is what happens. All rationale and logic go out the window. In the old days, people were institutionalized because they were thought to have gone "crazy". Some people can recover completely and remain healthy if they stay in a program and some people never get back all of their faculties no matter what (Ozzy O. for example) but at least they are alive. It can actually debilitate you physically too not just mentally. Its serious business. An old music business friend of mine suffered many physical complications from his coke abuse during the 80s and a few years ago had to have a leg amputated. People just don't realize the pandoras box they are opening up.
 
#732
I don't believe that he is too far gone to understand exactly what he's doing. It seems he has deliberately chosen a hedonistic lifestyle and delights in flaunting it to anyone who will listen. It's a matter of pride for him now. If he has ever done an interview where he has shown a shred of self-doubt or concern for his health, I have not seen it.
 
#733
bag-mania said:
I don't believe that he is too far gone to understand exactly what he's doing. It seems he has deliberately chosen a hedonistic lifestyle and delights in flaunting it to anyone who will listen. It's a matter of pride for him now. If he has ever done an interview where he has shown a shred of self-doubt or concern for his health, I have not seen it.
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There was a lot of interesting stuff in that Playboy article I linked to.

Maybe CS should read it...:wacko:

http://www.flixster.com/actor/charlie-sheen/charlie-sheen-playboy-interview


PLAYBOY: What changed your attitude?
SHEEN: In sobriety they teach you to think the drink through. Don't just think about having the drink and how good it's going to feel. Think through to the next morning, how it's going to influence you, the shame, how it's going to trigger the domino effect. If I do that I end up with, OK, I'm not going to drink. It's the same thing with one-night stands. I appreciate my time in the mornings so much that I'd rather go to bed at night alone than deal with waking up, creeping around the bedroom, being quiet, worrying. Also, I'd like to be with somebody I care about. Something moderately substantial.

PLAYBOY: Can you care about somebody?
SHEEN: Absolutely. Now that I've finally gotten to know myself a little bit, I know who I'm bringing to the relationship. Until now I've never had the tools to apply in a meaningful relationship. But I'm not looking for it. Right now I'm kind of in love with my job. [Pauses] I just don't want to live like I used to. And at some point, probably after this interview, I'm going to put a gag order on myself in terms of talking about the past. Seriously. I've got to slam the door and deal with the present and the future.

PLAYBOY: As long as you do it after this interview.
SHEEN: I get it. If I were assigned to somebody who had been through what I've been through and it was my job to deliver a story, I'd probably want to know the interesting **** and not just how the read-through was on Spin City. But that said, I'm talking about it now because I think I have a duty as a recovering guy to help, to make my knowledge of what I went through accessible.


****

PLAYBOY: After you got sober, you made Rated X, a Showtime movie about the Mitchell brothers, the adult-film entrepreneurs who, among other things, made Behind the Green Door. Emilio directed and played Jim; you were Artie, the self-destructive brother, who eventually died. Why get sober and then do a movie that, in a sense, plunged you right back into that world?
SHEEN: I saw the opportunity as no coincidence, again. There was a reason my first substantial role after rehab was to play a maniac whose personal story ended badly. I knew what it was like to go to those dark places and I got to go home every night after shooting with the reminder that I don't have to live like that anymore. I played a guy who died as a result of his abuse, so any time I even began to think, Good God, what am I missing, that thought was replaced with, I'm playing a dead man. That's a gift. It was like a big overcoat I put on when I got to work and then just took off afterward.
 
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