Cartier or Rolex.....Which do you prefer??
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agree with Bee Bee, there are so many good watches out there. Check this out http://www.chronocentric.com/watches/brands.shtml
So to summarize: there are many classes of luxury watches,
1. at the top are watches like Patek Phillipe, JLC, Frank Muller
2. next tier are Rolex, Cartier, Omega
3. then Tag, Raymond Veil, Baume & Mercier
4. lastly Oris, Movado
So to summarize: there are many classes of luxury watches,
1. at the top are watches like Patek Phillipe, JLC, Frank Muller
2. next tier are Rolex, Cartier, Omega
3. then Tag, Raymond Veil, Baume & Mercier
4. lastly Oris, Movado
Following conditions are important, as Rolex compare to Cartier !Actually can I go back to the subject of Rolex being a better watchmaker than Cartier. Whoever thinks that is misled by Rolex marketing that they are the most accurate or the ultimate watch (not true Rolexes are more like LV Monogram Canvas Speedy, the starter of a collection and it's not exactly hard to make Rolexes accurate because they are thick) and the perception that Cartier is only about Tank Fran[FONT="]ça[/FONT]ise, Santos or Roadster.
If you dig deeper, you will find that movements in Collection Priv[FONT="]ée[/FONT] Cartier Paris are way superior to Rolex. You have to look at the Tortues, the Rotondes, the other Tanks such as Tank[FONT="] à Vis, Tank Guichet, Tank Chinoise. These things have[/FONT] movements made by people like F.P. Journe (he is either the 1st or 2nd best living watchmaker). There are also movements made by Renauld & Papi who supplies Audemars Piguet. Even my cheapo Pasha in post[FONT="] #[/FONT]15 has a Jaeger LeCoultre movement which is way better than any Rolex so I would be grateful if someone can say why Rolexes are better made watches? [FONT="][/FONT]
Rolex Cartier
Own movement: in 1901 in 1997
Model: Oyster ( water-proof 100m.) Pasha(30m.)
Case : Simple, Classic, & Perfect compicated, Acceptable
Accuracy: Acceptable Acceptable
Durability: Perfect (over 10 yrs' wearing then do ?
maintance & lubricate )
Case Back: Metal ( Durable ) Crystal-Sapphire ( Meaningless
for regular Movement but fragile)
Inside plate-beveling: No Yes (meaningless)
Rolex can't be compared to F.P.Journe ( price over millions-dollars N.T. is common).
Crystal-Sapphire case Back is equipped for chronograph-collector or Connisseur to see through
the special,ultrafine and most complicated Movement.
Sorry for double post, I think this post will be more clear
Following conditions are important, as Rolex compare to Cartier !
Rolex
Own movement: in 1901
Model: Oyster ( water-proof 100m.)
Case : Simple, Classic, & Perfect
Accuracy: Acceptable
Durability: Perfect (over 10 yrs' wearing then do
maintance & lubricate )
Case Back: Metal ( Durable )
Inside plate-beveling: No
Cartier
Own movement: 1997
Model: Pasha(30m)
Case: Complicated,acceptable
Accuracy:Acceptable
Durabillity:?
Case back: Crystal-Sapphire( meaningless for regular Movement but fragile)
inside plate- beveling:Yes(meaningless)
Rolex can't be compared to F.P.Journe ( price over millions-dollars N.T. is common).
Crystal-Sapphire case Back is equipped for chronograph-collector or Connisseur to see through
the special,ultrafine and most complicated Movement.
Following conditions are important, as Rolex compare to Cartier !
Rolex
Own movement: in 1901
Model: Oyster ( water-proof 100m.)
Case : Simple, Classic, & Perfect
Accuracy: Acceptable
Durability: Perfect (over 10 yrs' wearing then do
maintance & lubricate )
Case Back: Metal ( Durable )
Inside plate-beveling: No
Cartier
Own movement: 1997
Model: Pasha(30m)
Case: Complicated,acceptable
Accuracy:Acceptable
Durabillity:?
Case back: Crystal-Sapphire( meaningless for regular Movement but fragile)
inside plate- beveling:Yes(meaningless)
Rolex can't be compared to F.P.Journe ( price over millions-dollars N.T. is common).
Crystal-Sapphire case Back is equipped for chronograph-collector or Connisseur to see through
the special,ultrafine and most complicated Movement.
^^^^
Your perspective on the importance of each bit of the watch is v.interesting but I have a slightly different take on it
:
Rolex Cartier
Own movement: in 1901 in 1997
From Rolex own catalogue: ‘When Hans Wisdorf created the name Rolex in 1908.’ The company itself (Wilsdorf & Davis) was created in 1905. As for Cartier, it has never made its own in-house movement (OK it has such as the one in Tank à Vis but very few) but if you count the fact that Edmond Jaeger (later of Jaeger Lecoultre fame) made exclusive movements for Cartier including the one in the 1904 Santos then one can say that Cartier has its own movement before Rolex was even started!
Model: Oyster ( water-proof 100m.) Pasha(30m.)
That is true. But then the deepest I ever went was snorkeling so both are overkill for me, LOL.
Case : Simple, Classic, & Perfect compicated, Acceptable
That is also true.
Accuracy: Acceptable Acceptable
I agree and I would like to add that the Superlative Chronometer label is pure marketing. Most watches nowadays is at Chronometer level but don’t have it certified because it costs money.
Durability: Perfect (over 10 yrs' wearing then do ? maintenance & lubricate )
I like to follow instructions of maintenance every 5 years because even if it is working properly, some bits such as the waterproof gasket will definitely wear out before then. The lubrication will also dry out by then and if you want to keep your watch for a long time this is not a good idea.
Case Back: Metal ( Durable ) Crystal-Sapphire ( Meaningless for regular Movement but fragile)
Is crystal back for regular movement really useless? In a sense, you are right that it is useless but it is another sign of quality to show that effort has been made with the movement itself. My husband’s basic 5296G Calatrava is definitely a regular watch and it has a sapphire back. Even the new Omega De Ville Co-axial is going to have a sapphire back and they are priced at the same range as Rolex with the same 100m water resistance which also shows that it is not fragile for people walking on the ground like us. I think the only reason why Rolex does not have one in a Datejust (obviously you can’t have it in a 300m Submariner) is because the movement is unfinished and it would be an embarrassment to show it off (per pic in post #15). The new
Inside plate-bevelling: No Yes (meaningless)
I SO don’t agree with this, LOL. Because if I say that bevelling adds no value then I would have to accept at the same time that Patek (with lots of it) is no different to a Rolex! It is an important part of workmanship that cheap watches don’t have!
Rolex can't be compared to F.P.Journe ( price over millions-dollars N.T. is common).
Am I right to say N.T.$ is New Taiwan$? But I agree that Rolex can’t be compared to Journe or Dufour because the most complicated Rolex watch is the Daytona which is hardly complicated but at the same time this precisely shows that Rolex is not the ultimate watch as the marketing would have public Joe/Joanna believe!
Crystal-Sapphire case Back is equipped for chronograph-collector or Connoisseur to see through the special,ultrafine and most complicated Movement.
Can I refer back to the point that Rolex movements are unrefined so they don’t have a sapphire back?
So every lady is going to ask me why am I not ‘cool’ with Rolex? I suppose it is because I have seen too many Rolex on not ‘cool’ people, LOL. Every time I see a crass, rude or pretentious, they always wear a Rolex! I perceive Rolex as nothing more than a show off object to say that you have made it when in fact you have only made it to primary school, LOL. BTW, I know that lots of nice people wears Rolexes including the ladies on this forum but this generalisation is allowed (by logic formulation) because all bad people wear Rolex is not equivalent to saying all Rolex wearers are bad.
As an apology for boring every lady here, I have this table to show you. I got it from someone can’t remember who – I don’t even know what is the criteria but I am guessing some weighted average price per watch sold – which shows where all the brands stand:
EDIT:
I should not have bothered writing if I have seen this link, LOL. I highly second this article! I love these bits:
MYTH: Rolex are individually handmade watches--Most Rolex watches are mass-produced by highly efficient factory machines using a number of techniques pioneered and patented by Rolex. Rolex makes in the vicinity of 1,000,000 watches a year. They do have some very high end models and special editions that are handcrafted.
MYTH: A Rolex watch takes a year to make--While Rolex has claimed this in their advertising, they have never explained any tangible basis for this claim. This is meaningless advertising fluff to give the romantic illusion that there is a craftsman laboring over your watch for a year to bring it to perfection. This is intended to obscure the fact that they are really mass-produced.
If Rolex is not the only superior watch brand, why haven't I heard of these other watches?--In most cases, the general public knows only certain brands which were well publicized as the 'best of the best' and may be totally unaware of other equal or superior products that are available. If you asked the average person-on-the-street about watches, they would probably tell you the market starts with Timex and Casio, moves up to Seiko, then TAG, and reaches its epitome with Rolex...
...if you want to impress the general public, you buy names anyone will recognize--sometimes even without regard to outrageous premium prices or quality and features that are less than one would expect from their "leader of the pack" reputation.
But the true connoisseurs and aficionados buy what impresses *them*, which may often include brands that the general population would not even recognize.
Your perspective on the importance of each bit of the watch is v.interesting but I have a slightly different take on it
:Rolex Cartier
Own movement: in 1901 in 1997
From Rolex own catalogue: ‘When Hans Wisdorf created the name Rolex in 1908.’ The company itself (Wilsdorf & Davis) was created in 1905. As for Cartier, it has never made its own in-house movement (OK it has such as the one in Tank à Vis but very few) but if you count the fact that Edmond Jaeger (later of Jaeger Lecoultre fame) made exclusive movements for Cartier including the one in the 1904 Santos then one can say that Cartier has its own movement before Rolex was even started!
Model: Oyster ( water-proof 100m.) Pasha(30m.)
That is true. But then the deepest I ever went was snorkeling so both are overkill for me, LOL.
Case : Simple, Classic, & Perfect compicated, Acceptable
That is also true.
Accuracy: Acceptable Acceptable
I agree and I would like to add that the Superlative Chronometer label is pure marketing. Most watches nowadays is at Chronometer level but don’t have it certified because it costs money.
Durability: Perfect (over 10 yrs' wearing then do ? maintenance & lubricate )
I like to follow instructions of maintenance every 5 years
because even if it is working properly, some bits such as the waterproof gasket will definitely wear out before then. The lubrication will also dry out by then and if you want to keep your watch for a long time this is not a good idea.Case Back: Metal ( Durable ) Crystal-Sapphire ( Meaningless for regular Movement but fragile)
Is crystal back for regular movement really useless? In a sense, you are right that it is useless but it is another sign of quality to show that effort has been made with the movement itself. My husband’s basic 5296G Calatrava is definitely a regular watch and it has a sapphire back. Even the new Omega De Ville Co-axial is going to have a sapphire back and they are priced at the same range as Rolex with the same 100m water resistance which also shows that it is not fragile for people walking on the ground like us. I think the only reason why Rolex does not have one in a Datejust (obviously you can’t have it in a 300m Submariner) is because the movement is unfinished and it would be an embarrassment to show it off (per pic in post #15). The new
Inside plate-bevelling: No Yes (meaningless)
I SO don’t agree with this, LOL. Because if I say that bevelling adds no value then I would have to accept at the same time that Patek (with lots of it) is no different to a Rolex! It is an important part of workmanship that cheap watches don’t have!
Rolex can't be compared to F.P.Journe ( price over millions-dollars N.T. is common).
Am I right to say N.T.$ is New Taiwan$? But I agree that Rolex can’t be compared to Journe or Dufour because the most complicated Rolex watch is the Daytona which is hardly complicated but at the same time this precisely shows that Rolex is not the ultimate watch as the marketing would have public Joe/Joanna believe!
Crystal-Sapphire case Back is equipped for chronograph-collector or Connoisseur to see through the special,ultrafine and most complicated Movement.
Can I refer back to the point that Rolex movements are unrefined so they don’t have a sapphire back?
So every lady is going to ask me why am I not ‘cool’ with Rolex? I suppose it is because I have seen too many Rolex on not ‘cool’ people, LOL. Every time I see a crass, rude or pretentious, they always wear a Rolex! I perceive Rolex as nothing more than a show off object to say that you have made it when in fact you have only made it to primary school, LOL. BTW, I know that lots of nice people wears Rolexes including the ladies on this forum but this generalisation is allowed (by logic formulation) because all bad people wear Rolex is not equivalent to saying all Rolex wearers are bad.
As an apology for boring every lady here, I have this table to show you. I got it from someone can’t remember who – I don’t even know what is the criteria but I am guessing some weighted average price per watch sold – which shows where all the brands stand:
EDIT:
seahorse said:
I should not have bothered writing if I have seen this link, LOL. I highly second this article! I love these bits:
MYTH: Rolex are individually handmade watches--Most Rolex watches are mass-produced by highly efficient factory machines using a number of techniques pioneered and patented by Rolex. Rolex makes in the vicinity of 1,000,000 watches a year. They do have some very high end models and special editions that are handcrafted.
MYTH: A Rolex watch takes a year to make--While Rolex has claimed this in their advertising, they have never explained any tangible basis for this claim. This is meaningless advertising fluff to give the romantic illusion that there is a craftsman laboring over your watch for a year to bring it to perfection. This is intended to obscure the fact that they are really mass-produced.
If Rolex is not the only superior watch brand, why haven't I heard of these other watches?--In most cases, the general public knows only certain brands which were well publicized as the 'best of the best' and may be totally unaware of other equal or superior products that are available. If you asked the average person-on-the-street about watches, they would probably tell you the market starts with Timex and Casio, moves up to Seiko, then TAG, and reaches its epitome with Rolex...
...if you want to impress the general public, you buy names anyone will recognize--sometimes even without regard to outrageous premium prices or quality and features that are less than one would expect from their "leader of the pack" reputation.
But the true connoisseurs and aficionados buy what impresses *them*, which may often include brands that the general population would not even recognize.
Quote:So every lady is going to ask me why am I not ‘cool’ with Rolex? I suppose it is because I have seen too many Rolex on not ‘cool’ people, LOL. Every time I see a crass, rude or pretentious, they always wear a Rolex! I perceive Rolex as nothing more than a show off object to say that you have made it when in fact you have only made it to primary school, LOL. BTW, I know that lots of nice people wears Rolexes including the ladies on this forum but this generalisation is allowed (by logic formulation) because all bad people wear Rolex is not equivalent to saying all Rolex wearers are bad.
...if you want to impress the general public, you buy names anyone will recognize--sometimes even without regard to outrageous premium prices or quality and features that are less than one would expect from their "leader of the pack" reputation.
But the true connoisseurs and aficionados buy what impresses *them*, which may often include brands that the general population would not even recognize.
I don't think Brands = Class, maybe not many pp know F.P.Journe, but there are many pp wearing franck muller,PP,Jaeger...etc in asia, for example I don't think its cooler wearing PP24 (especially any quartz watch from the luxury brand) than a rolex, if you have great taste and style, u can wear everything very good, cuz I know there are many pp in asia with really *bad* taste,but they just want something different to Rolex , that they can show off their *TASTE*
...if you want to impress the general public, you buy names anyone will recognize--sometimes even without regard to outrageous premium prices or quality and features that are less than one would expect from their "leader of the pack" reputation.
But the true connoisseurs and aficionados buy what impresses *them*, which may often include brands that the general population would not even recognize.
I don't think Brands = Class, maybe not many pp know F.P.Journe, but there are many pp wearing franck muller,PP,Jaeger...etc in asia, for example I don't think its cooler wearing PP24 (especially any quartz watch from the luxury brand) than a rolex, if you have great taste and style, u can wear everything very good, cuz I know there are many pp in asia with really *bad* taste,but they just want something different to Rolex , that they can show off their *TASTE*
I'm eyeing a few JLC, but i can only afford one in my dreams! If you can afford it i suggest you go for it, as it's not a hyped up as rolex. I used to be a label ho but thats subsided now and i want what i truly like not what i know people will recognize and admire.
tweetie, if you'd like a Cartier for dressing up, look at the new Santos demoselle (not sure of spelling). It is much more feminine and dressier than the Tank. Very pretty.
Rolex is a watch maker. That doesn't mean they make a better watch. Cartier is extremely well made and gorgeous looking to boot. I agree with Bee Bee on Rolex having great marketing.
Allright, first off, I'm sorry for being so obstinate about this but I was at Cartier today and I'm high on Cartier right now. I had new batteries put in my watches (every two years) and TO CHECK THAT THE WATER TIGHT CRYSTALS WERE OKAY. And they were. I shower and swim with my Cartiers all the time. I've snorkeled in salty water etc. Cartier makes a a very gorgeous and practical watch depending on which style you buy. Okay I'm done here. It's not like I'm getting commissions from Cartier. LOL Just slightly obsessed over them. :shame:
I am looking for a white gold watch for day wear. Since college, I've been a fan of Rolex. But now, I'm looking into other brands. I've fallen in love with the Ballon Bleu de Cartier Watch. It looks so cool on my wrist!
But is this watch too trendy? Or can it be a classic? Ladies, would you choose the Ballon Bleu de Cartier or the Rolex Datejust in white gold with Diamond dial? Thank you in advance.
But is this watch too trendy? Or can it be a classic? Ladies, would you choose the Ballon Bleu de Cartier or the Rolex Datejust in white gold with Diamond dial? Thank you in advance.Attachments
