Are you completely decided that you want to go with Cartier or Tiffany? You can get a non-branded ring a lot cheaper (just asking, not trying to be a smart aleck). I have a 2.11 J/VVS1 that we purchased in December 2002 from a wholesaler and it was just under $8K.
Lol---you aren't being a smart aleck---thats a very good question. I'm not 100% certain yet b/c we've only visited 3 stores (Tiffany, Cartier and a local store) but I think we are trending that way. Going up to NYC in August so I'm sure there will be many more options there
WOW---Gingerfarm---your fiance is a KEEPER!!!! nice job...Does anyone else have "negoiation" stories"? You are right though---half the "battle" is not be intimidated by them b/c they are high end and just start asking---I mean if they say no, its not the end of the world....