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Some ppl tend to subconsciously decide on something and make it a definite so when you see an opinion that doesn’t align with ur notion your conscious mind re-affirms your “definite” by speaking it out loud so ur brain doesn’t have to deal with the mathematics. I said all that to say: Feel free to go there then. Have a nice day xx
now you know I'm not sharing that on tpf. he's a very well-known dr bev hills tho who's more expensive than yoo and he can do ethnic rhino. that's all the info I'm willing to give. @MissOrange knows who he his but she's not going to tell either bc i asked her not to spill the teas after I did all that hard work finding him- 1. tpf ppl r too psycho & might stalk the surgeon, and 2. you didn't do the work to find the surgeon. Although you didn't thank me, you're welcome for the other referrals I mentioned in the thread. xo
Hi where did you find the before and afters for Dr. Jeong? I went on the Plus website and couldn’t find any, and they don’t post any on their social media
Ok thank you anyways - I can understand what you mean about TPF. I am already familiar with every one of the doctors you've mentioned and have consulted with several of them in person already- actually a few don't really have good reputations in Korea, they're just really good at marketing (based off my own research on Naver -- join cafes and type their initials, youll see what i mean--and friends who live in Seoul), I just didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to cause any drama.
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Hi Chanelsaint,
Thank you for this. I think I found your YouTube channel and I felt for you. I am glad you are getting it fixed and thought research I am a bit fearful going to SK for surgery. Any advice ? I wanna get hairline lowering by forehead reduction sugary and its double the price in the states and I will be getting eyebrow transplant in the states because not a lot of doctors know how to work with African American hair and its another pricy surgery. I read that I shouldn't use docfinder and should find local clinics but I dont even know how to do that. especially with what you said not knowing if its the actual doctor working on my face that is very scary, so please help
UPDATE: I ended up canceling surgery 3 times at 3 different clinics, upon further consultations-
one doctor said something that really stood out to me: he said that I went from having the First Class rhinoplasty at my primary surgeon's Johns Hopkins University hospital to downgrading to COACH at April 31. That was the confirmation I needed that I need to get an evaluation from my primary doctor and perhaps proceed with revision with him. The doctor's name was Dr. Im and VGPRS.com and he is the CEO of his clinic, I trust him very much and if you like the dramatic/dolly look, he can do it for you, and with rib.
Anyway, I've been to perhaps 30-40 clinics in Korea and I will update my blog with experiences with them; there are a lot of clinics you all don't know about because you are not in Korea- the clinics that are visible to us are the ones pushing their marketing towards foreigners, while yes in my situation- April 31 is renowned but by only board members because of the academic activity papers that Jae Hoon Kim submits (I know Brian used to help him with writing/translation before they fired him, so I don't know that academic papers are Jae Hoon Kim's own true words, or words fluffed up by english-speaking writing assistants), that will remain a mystery.
I think that using tpf should not be the primary source of your information when it comes to Korean clinics- the site has too many promoters and the promoted "reviews" drown out the botch stories and valid reviews which often go forgotten or trapped way down in the deepest depths of the tpf. In my blog I'll have some resources available if you find yourself in a similar situation, and also my full experience with april 31 and their deception/botches/unhappy patients. Any other choice besides April 31 will reap better results for you. If you do go to a different clinic and experience a botch, it is not the end of the world, you can enter mediation and take legal action although you are a foreigner (mediation is a few hundred dollars, there is free legal help for foreigners in korea, and in the event you do end up paying for a legal representative, it will be one flat fee (up to $3,000 I think), it's not like in the US where we are constantly spending money on lawyers. While yes, it is very good to leave reviews, you will need to open a mediation case against the doctor who botched you unless you can reach a resolution without getting a 3rd party involved. In conclusion, I don't really recommend Korea for invasive surgeries unless you are of East Asian descent; too many foreigners of other descent have been left botched or unhappy, and that's not what we are traveling all this distance for and pouring our money into the Korean economy.
At the same time, everyone deserves access to good and affordable QUALITY elective surgery... but my opinion still stands that if you are not of East Asian Descent or need a good cheap FFS (you're transitioning and the prices in your country are too high for very little result), then you should not undergo invasive surgery unless
1. you have absolutely no other options.
2. the doctors in your home country have no experience working on patients with ur features.
3. you know someone who has personally went to the clinic you are interested in who is not a promoter and has had a good experience.
Doctors can write all of the academic papers they want, so in Korea, I don't think you should focus on the papers too much or let that impress you (like I did). I'm American so we tend to love to read the doctor's work as a form of research, but that puts a haze over our view of them and makes us look at the doctors as more than what they actually are; doctors can write about plastic surgery and rhinoplasty cases and innovation, but it really comes down to IF they're able to execute all of the things they talk about. Some doctors use academic activity to fluff up their resume and to give the appearance of prestige in front of their colleagues, board members, and patients. No matter how drawn to intellectual energy you are, I need you to not read so much into the academic papers of the doctors because it truly creates a false veneer and expectations that are much too high- even if those expectations are a basic level of ethics, surgical skill, and decency.
And lets not forget the
pièce de résistance pictures of my nose before and after April 31.
Do NOT allow Dr. Jae Hoon Kim to operate on you even if the surgery is free or discounted. He has botched patients of ALL origins, ethnicities, and nationalities. The promoters of April 31 are in every forum including reddit; they have a very believable con game going by victimizing foreigners which is why they've been in operation for so long. No matter what, do not go to April 31 and no matter what clinic Dr Jae hoon Kim runs off to, do not have surgery with him. EVER.
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I know it's very hard to relive your trauma, but the only way for the standards of elective surgery to get better when it comes to medical tourism in Korea is to start reporting the perpetrators for medical negligence and shake up their system. The Korean culture is very different from western culture so please keep in mind that this spills over into the medical arena as well; senior doctors aren't used to having to answer to their own medical negligence. If things are to get better and safer for yourself and others who travel to Korea for surgery in the future, you must shake up the system so that they raise their standards to a level that foreigners are serviced well. There are way too many instances of botch and unhappy patients in Korea and it's not just because they do a lot of surgeries; the ratios just don't make sense- too many patients end up needing correction due to functional issues but we never hear about that unless we speak to people privately or in small groups.
In conclusion:
petit procedures: GO.
Invasive procedures: Pause.
For RIB rhinoplasty I like: Dr. Jin (wise, conservative revision, safe option), Dr. Lee, (wise, revision, safe option), Dr. Im (high ethics, very good consultation), Dr. Park (Harvard, golden-ratio aesthetic), Dr. (Gwangmin) Park (soft-spoken, artistic), Dr. (Han Jo) Kim (sweet, high ethics, cute nose aesthetic), Dr. Min (VERY sharp eye, ethical), Dr. Cho (highest level of experience, thorough, great for revision), Dr. Jeong (confident/ skilled/most BnAs/great for revision) and Dr. Kim(nice aesthetics and personality) (same practice), Seoulista (expert, revision in genio and rhinoplasty), Kowon (sweet, primaries). Dr. Suh (experienced).
I will list everyone's information in my blog, but- if you've had a poor experience in Korea in relation to cosmetic surgery, I need you take a stand, open a dispute, to NOT spend your money with any clinic in Korea before you think long and hard about it, and exhaust all other options. Korea makes a lot of money from we foreigners and their medical, tourism, and legal boards and government agencies need to make sure they create a safe environment for us by not allowing negligent doctors to practice, especially if they want continued access to our very strong foreign currency.
When you cut them tf off as a conscious effort, it's helpful not only for you in your healing process, but to other foreigners- it creates a net of safety where others a less likely to be botched, reduces the instances of death, and other unfortunate events related to cosmetic surgery because for once- the doctors will be held responsible for their actions and it's not good for Korea's economy that foreigners refuse to funnel excess funds into their economy after poor experiences and lack of safety.
I know you don't want to hear this, but our American doctors tell us to stay in the United States to have our surgeries for this very reason; while yes, they are in business to make money, they see a lot of botch cases from overseas and they are the ones who end up correcting our highly questionable and devastating choices. April 31 and doctors like Jae Hoon Kim are the kinds of people that our ethically practicing medical professionals from all over the world warn us about.
Actually, Dr. Mascaro in Miami gave me this warning on Skype when he found out I was thinking of international medical tourism; I've traveled for all of my surgeries over the years in my home country, and aside for the bad medical staff, my surgeries all went well at every facility. In Korea, you can not let unprofessionalism from the staff slide, it's package deal; in Korea, you're not just going there for the surgeon but for the full experience and ALL of your needs should be met before surgery or it may foretell of a bad outcome of the surgery, you can't ignore the issues like you can do in the States and the UK. Korea is very different than other places and you need to always be treated well. I said all that to say, he was very right and it is my fault for not considering his warning more thoroughly than I did. I know sometimes doctors can deliver their message in a harsh way, but American doctors and those trained in the states take their oaths very seriously and a lot of them try to protect the patient even if you aren't treated by them.
Drastic change rhinoplasty outside of Korea:
Wide/fatty nose: Turkey. UK. (Natural Result- Primary: Dr. Naderi. Some girls like Janjua. Dr. Nassif (yes from me). Dr. Ghavami. UK surgeons like Ion (Miss Orange reminded me of him again for Asian noses). You will be ok in the US as long as you want something very conservative. ) If you need a revision and you have a wide/fatty nose in the US- it will be sort of difficult to find your surgeon but you still have options.
Ethnic/Middle eastern nose with Thick skin: you will be ok in the United States. (Saw a girl of my ethnicity with medium skin who had surgery by Dr. Miller that was pretty). Dr. Nassif.
All of the Ethnic girls I know who went to Thailand now look mixed lol, but were not botched.
Caucasian girls and those Ethnic girls going for a mixed-race look seem to like Dr. Grigoryants in the US- natural but his signature style can give a drastic change if your nose is droopy.
xo
