Botched Rhinoplasty April31 Plastic Surgery Clinic

[tvxqgirl]

@chanelsaint, i just read through the entire thread and i'm appalled at how they treated you.
i was wondering whether you could report the clinic to PRS Korea? Or any of the governing bodies of medicine in Korea.
I don't know how the complaint system works in Korea. Is there any possibility that doctors found guilty of medical malpractice can be barred from medical practice?

 

[BeautyJunkie3133]

Ok so I photos of result of Dr. Jin and she was unhappy, I too agree that the result was unsatisfactory, I think you should consult with Dr. Jin because he has good information, BUT- although most of his patients are happy, please also keep in mind that he has unhappy patients, I was surprised he did someone's nose and the nose was uneven (i think because of the nostrils looking incorrect which was the complaint, and yes she will need a revision to fix it). He also told me some things that would be difficult for him for my case (nostrils), and his vibe was just sort of unhumble but not in a bad way, I thought it was entertaining, but anyway I took all of that as a red flag that he couldn't give me all of what I wanted. Still consult with him but keep in mind that he may not be able to give all of what you want if it's not primary. If it's a primary I think his price is high and he doesn't do tipwork like that- he's conservative and the people I've seen going to him have a very minimal difference tbh unless it was like a severe contracture or infection case. Autologous options: Dr Jin is a safe option (cash only though and he is overworked for his age)- I believe if you unhappy he will give you revision and that he is ethical, but the patient I was referring to above is yet to have her case resolved/surery date set, Dr. Kim at Eightps because I know he is ethical and he's closer to his 30s so he knows what looks hot- he's a locals dr and chinese girls go there, and Dr. Im at VG (Dr. Im is sort of high but he has a lot of experience so you can use me as ur referral if u do f2f and want the price to go down). Try SURES and JAYJUN as well- I think their doctors are good- the doctor at SURES is sweet/nice. Dr. Cho at KoKo is very good but you have to bring a translator, the price is high lol but he knows what he is doing- my only issue with him is that the staff don't speak english, if you have a local friend or referral you can get a lowered price. Jin is definitely not your only option. All have their own clinic except for Jayjun which is probably a pimp clinic like the rest of them that aren't owned by the doctors, but the doctor is sweet, so you can put that one last on your list for ****s and giggles. There's one clinic I don't think you should go to and that's a big building with multiple floors- I forgot the name of it but I know the pimps own it and they pimp out the doctors and park lambos outside, and may have paid someone's family off after a patient death during surgery- it's in apgujeong. Hope that helps!

Thank you so much for sharing, I've been looking into rhino + alarplasty in SK as well so this is extremely helpful. I'm of southeast asian descent so it's extremely hard to find someone local (toronto - unless you know of anyone as well, as I haven't been able to find one with a good track record for southeast asian features) I'm so sorry that you have to go through this headache and am extremely appreciative that you're taking the time and effort to stand up for yourself and against these unethical clinics. Looking forward to your updates and wishing you well.

 

[chanelsaint]

I've just discovered your thread and read through the whatsapp correspondence. First of all I'm so sorry that this happened to you! Your replies in the whatsapp are so composed and you took such practical steps to move towards a solution. If it were me, I would be screaming, crying, dramatic, and out-of-control. Respect you.

Thank you love . And if you're ever in a similar situation (which you will not be), you have every right to scream, cry, be dramatic, and out-of-control. xx

 

[chanelsaint]

@chanelsaint, i just read through the entire thread and i'm appalled at how they treated you.
i was wondering whether you could report the clinic to PRS Korea? Or any of the governing bodies of medicine in Korea.
I don't know how the complaint system works in Korea. Is there any possibility that doctors found guilty of medical malpractice can be barred from medical practice?

So... here's the thing about April31 Clinic,
Mediation is actually a thing in Korea because the failure rate for elective surgeries is so high there. I found out recently that years ago from a friend that a foreign girl was in my similar situation with them and April31 refused to arbitrate. I recently found a thread on purseforum where another patient had to put in her request FOUR times and she said April31 refused each time. Mediation only works if the clinic you go to is somewhat ethical. In Korea, the laws are so lax in regards to medical practices, plus there is the issue of their seniority practices and women not being as respected there as we are in other countries. I'll list it in the thread

 

[chanelsaint]

Thank you so much for sharing, I've been looking into rhino + alarplasty in SK as well so this is extremely helpful. I'm of southeast asian descent so it's extremely hard to find someone local (toronto - unless you know of anyone as well, as I haven't been able to find one with a good track record for southeast asian features) I'm so sorry that you have to go through this headache and am extremely appreciative that you're taking the time and effort to stand up for yourself and against these unethical clinics. Looking forward to your updates and wishing you well.

Thank you and Yw! I think there are 1-2 options in Toronto that Ethnic people talk about but I can't recall- I think one doctor is good at doing middle eastern noses and some types of ethnic noses with short nasal bones- but I don't know of the track record of Toronto doctors, you could also virtually consult with doctors in the US to get a vibe before you decide on Korea. If it's primary, you may be ok going to korea if you want something simple like silicone and alars. Look around closer to home first though and in the US even if you're set on Korea because you'll get a more thorough examination and they might have some additional insight for you regarding your nose. Explore ALLLL of your options and cast a wide net, and never settle for less.

 

[tvxqgirl]

So... here's the thing about April31 Clinic,
Mediation is actually a thing in Korea because the failure rate for elective surgeries is so high there. I found out recently that years ago from a friend that a foreign girl was in my similar situation with them and April31 refused to arbitrate. I recently found a thread on purseforum where another patient had to put in her request FOUR times and she said April31 refused each time. Mediation only works if the clinic you go to is somewhat ethical. In Korea, the laws are so lax in regards to medical practices, plus there is the issue of their seniority practices and women not being as respected there as we are in other countries. I'll list it in the thread

Oh dear... does that mean the only way is through mediation and that is dependent on the clinic's willingness? I am shocked! What if someone dies during a liposuction or any other kind of elective surgery, will the doctor not get barred from practice if medical malpractice or negligence is found?

In my country (Singapore) what I understand is that we can make complaints to the professional body governing doctors, and a panel will look through it. For serious cases, they'll form a disciplinary committee comprised of doctors and specialists who will determine the outcome of the case, and the professional body has the authority to "disbar" doctors.

I shall await your blog/thread dearie! Press on.

 

[chanelsaint]

Oh dear... does that mean the only way is through mediation and that is dependent on the clinic's willingness? I am shocked! What if someone dies during a liposuction or any other kind of elective surgery, will the doctor not get barred from practice if medical malpractice or negligence is found?

In my country (Singapore) what I understand is that we can make complaints to the professional body governing doctors, and a panel will look through it. For serious cases, they'll form a disciplinary committee comprised of doctors and specialists who will determine the outcome of the case, and the professional body has the authority to "disbar" doctors.

I shall await your blog/thread dearie! Press on.

I want to answer that question in depth but I can't do that openly because I know April31 is watching this thread to try to figure out my next moves lol.
But to put things generally- In Korea, if you mediate- the clinic has to agree to, but things have changed in the last few years and if you're a foreigner, we DO have certain rights when it comes to mediation- one of my friends told me that clinics now have to agree to arbitrate in relation foreign patients. If you're dealing with a semi-ethical clinic, then you will have good results mediating.
If you do not have good results mediating you can always sue and win- if there was malpractice or an unfavorable outcome due to medical negligence or otherwise you do have a case that you can pursue if you deem it necessary, period.
In korea, their doctors are allowed to keep practicing even with a suspended license (for example: Dr. Oh at Regan- he is suspended and still doing "surgeries"), you should still take action against the the doctor(s) license you believe is botching surgeries because malpractice is malpractice and if someone is researching a particular doctor, they need to know if action has been taken against their license so they can make an informed decision on whether or not they want to proceed with having a surgery or being under that doctor's care, and so that ethical clinics have the chance to decide whether or not they want to hire that doctor to work for them. Some people write a review, but when it all comes down to it, you must also report the doctor for malpractice or they will keep botching patients, deceiving customers, providing poor service, and getting away with it (until karma or a higher power comes back to kick them in the azz), a lot of these doctors are going to end up jobless, and they're already economically distressed and falling behind on bills and so are the clinic owners because foreigners are actually starting to stand up for themselves and fight back; my friend in Korea told me that because of Covid some of the clinics are going to have to shut down forever/go bankrupt, and they are struggling and scrambling for money (nana clinic is actually ok because they don't rely on foreign money so much, but many Korean clinics are going downhill quickly and the worst of them are getting their karma for botching patients and unethical practices).
I think Singapore has more ethics advancement in the arena of ethics, malpractice, and accountability that Korea isn't up to par with so it's like comparing apples to oranges.
xx!

 

[BeautyJunkie3133]

Thank you and Yw! I think there are 1-2 options in Toronto that Ethnic people talk about but I can't recall- I think one doctor is good at doing middle eastern noses and some types of ethnic noses with short nasal bones- but I don't know of the track record of Toronto doctors, you could also virtually consult with doctors in the US to get a vibe before you decide on Korea. If it's primary, you may be ok going to korea if you want something simple like silicone and alars. Look around closer to home first though and in the US even if you're set on Korea because you'll get a more thorough examination and they might have some additional insight for you regarding your nose. Explore ALLLL of your options and cast a wide net, and never settle for less.

I've been researching the ones in Toronto and they probably have less experience with asian noses than the junior surgeons in SK! I'll see if US has any - price may play a huge factor as well so I'll need to look around. I've reached out to Dr Jin and he mentioned:
"Tip refinement will be done probably by cephalic resection, sutures, tip onlay grafts, and septal extension graft if necessary.

Dorsum augmentation can be done with two options.
1. augmentation with rib cartilage prn) diced cartilage in fascia
2. combination of thin septal/conchal/rib cartilage and temporalis fascia
Deviation correction needs septoplasty, spreader grafts and osteotomies if necessary."

Do you have any insights regarding either option? Surprisingly when I reached out to TOP CLASS PS, they said that my alars were not wide enough and they recommended against an alarplasty and to just increase my bridge with silicone to make the alar width shorter.

 

[tvxqgirl]

I want to answer that question in depth but I can't do that openly because I know April31 is watching this thread to try to figure out my next moves lol.
But to put things generally- In Korea, if you mediate- the clinic has to agree to, but things have changed in the last few years and if you're a foreigner, we DO have certain rights when it comes to mediation- one of my friends told me that clinics now have to agree to arbitrate in relation foreign patients. If you're dealing with a semi-ethical clinic, then you will have good results mediating.
If you do not have good results mediating you can always sue and win- if there was malpractice or an unfavorable outcome due to medical negligence or otherwise you do have a case that you can pursue if you deem it necessary, period.
In korea, their doctors are allowed to keep practicing even with a suspended license (for example: Dr. Oh at Regan- he is suspended and still doing "surgeries"), you should still take action against the the doctor(s) license you believe is botching surgeries because malpractice is malpractice and if someone is researching a particular doctor, they need to know if action has been taken against their license so they can make an informed decision on whether or not they want to proceed with having a surgery or being under that doctor's care, and so that ethical clinics have the chance to decide whether or not they want to hire that doctor to work for them. Some people write a review, but when it all comes down to it, you must also report the doctor for malpractice or they will keep botching patients, deceiving customers, providing poor service, and getting away with it (until karma or a higher power comes back to kick them in the azz), a lot of these doctors are going to end up jobless, and they're already economically distressed and falling behind on bills and so are the clinic owners because foreigners are actually starting to stand up for themselves and fight back; my friend in Korea told me that because of Covid some of the clinics are going to have to shut down forever/go bankrupt, and they are struggling and scrambling for money (nana clinic is actually ok because they don't rely on foreign money so much, but many Korean clinics are going downhill quickly and the worst of them are getting their karma for botching patients and unethical practices).
I think Singapore has more ethics advancement in the arena of ethics, malpractice, and accountability that Korea isn't up to par with so it's like comparing apples to oranges.
xx!

Thanks for your comments! Sending you good wishes xx

 

[becquerel]

hi, thank you for posting your experience in full detail. you've certainly been put through the wringer and i admire your composure throughout all of this (and, of course, the eloquent write-up). i'm planning on getting rhinoplasty in SK and this has given me a lot to reflect on. i wish you all the best with whatever your next endeavor is—sending you much love!

 

[chanelsaint]

I've been researching the ones in Toronto and they probably have less experience with asian noses than the junior surgeons in SK! I'll see if US has any - price may play a huge factor as well so I'll need to look around. I've reached out to Dr Jin and he mentioned:
"Tip refinement will be done probably by cephalic resection, sutures, tip onlay grafts, and septal extension graft if necessary.

Dorsum augmentation can be done with two options.
1. augmentation with rib cartilage prn) diced cartilage in fascia
2. combination of thin septal/conchal/rib cartilage and temporalis fascia
Deviation correction needs septoplasty, spreader grafts and osteotomies if necessary."

Do you have any insights regarding either option? Surprisingly when I reached out to TOP CLASS PS, they said that my alars were not wide enough and they recommended against an alarplasty and to just increase my bridge with silicone to make the alar width shorter.

Both sound like good options! xx

 

[chanelsaint]

Update:
1. Found out that dr Jae hoon kim removed my rib graft from my nose WITHOUT MY CONSENT. That’s a lawsuit.
2. my credit card company issued me a refund check after reviewing the additional documents (see evidence).
3. Having revision rhinoplasty surgery in December 2020. And revision genioplasty after that. Xx

 

[Pakune]

Update:
1. Found out that dr Jae hoon kim removed my rib graft from my nose WITHOUT MY CONSENT. That’s a lawsuit.
2. my credit card company issued me a refund check after reviewing the additional documents (see evidence).
3. Having revision rhinoplasty surgery in December 2020. And revision genioplasty after that. Xx

Amazing glad for you

 

[chanelsaint]

Amazing glad for you

 

[Pakune]

You are so strong