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vogueangel said:
I haven't contact her after I received them. These are the ones I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331405578416?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=540584155808&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
The seller claims all her items "guaranteed 100% authentic" and she doesn't accept returns. She'll probably deny that they're counterfeit and I'll have to open a case.
eBay also has this rule that counterfeits should not be sent back to the seller but instead disposed, I had this case with one counterfeit dress. But it was less than $100 and these were $400 so they would probably ask me to pay for written authentication before refunding as the seller has pretty good feedback too.
And yes, she has a lot brand (or now most likely counterfeit) products for sale for cheap prices. Versace, Alexander McQueen, Dolce & Gabbana, Gucci... She seems to have 1 negative feedback for counterfeit which she has answered "This is fraud! Requires money, does not send the item back! This 100% authentic!" so she's probably not willing to work this out.
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I'm certainly no expert in most of these designers and I am *not* defending a seller who sells fakes - BUT:

1. Just because someone sells one fake doesn't mean that everything they sell is fake. I'm seeing plenty of items from this seller that look authentic to me.

2. Do we KNOW that these Versace are fake? I agree that the construction is AWFUL but I've also seen quite the deterioration in quality from this designer recently. This is a crazy-complicated shoe for a counterfeiter to try and replicate. Wouldn't they go for easier shoes to copy? OTOH, I still have not seen this particular shoe from a legitimate source. Is this design even Versace at all? I sort of wonder if it's just some fancy platform shoe that the counterfeit maker put the Versace logo on. (Yes I admit that I'm saying both here - might be fake, might not be - but that's the point, I am not certain any of us KNOW do we?)

Regardless, OP those shoes are pathetic and I am not saying you should keep them. I just get nervous when all of us decide too easily if something is fake or not... and yes I'm prepared to get lots of heated reactions once again. :p

Does anyone own the shoes in question? Has anyone seen them on a legit retailer's site before? If so then I take it all back!!!! I am not saying I know either way - the quality of those pictured is horrid indeed so I hope to G. that they're not real since that to me is like the end of the world. :cool:


EDITED TO ADD: Oh yeah, I forgot that these were on Farfetch - I believe FF always has auth but I don't know?

http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/women/versace-parme-sandal-item-10199127.aspx

I guess the main reason I'm voicing concern about accusations is BeenBurned's statement that this seller could be banned from eBay with one more claim of fakes. If she is selling fakes then she deserves that!! Again, not defending her. Some of her items are also commonly faked (a few Prada bags) but there's many in the assortment that I honestly doubt are counterfeit.

Just sayin'.
 
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#8,327
BeenBurned said:
Most habitual fake-sellers "guarantee" their items as authentic. It doesn't mean that they are, and in fact, the "fake" accusations against the seller, kvi1941 go back years.
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=kvi1941&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home

A no return policy will only be upheld in cases where SNAD is filed and the item is proven (by the seller) no to be SNAD. A counterfeit item is illegal and her "no return" policy goes out the window.

As for not having to return the fake, that's not a rule and has been very inconsistent. Persoanlly, I'm not comfortable with ebay and/or paypal deciding that a buyer should destroy an alleged fake item because there have been cases where authentic items are deemed fake, buyers KNOW they're authentic but are told to destroy the "fake" and get a refund. They end up with the item and the money and the seller is out everything.

OTOH, sellers who mistakenly list a fake (even though it's not supposed to happen had they confirmed authenticity before listing) often tell buyers to destroy the item and issue a refund anyway. That (IMO) is smart since the item is illegal to resell and either party paying for return shipping is a waste of money.

In the case of kvi1941, she already has 2 negs within the last year, one of which is for a fake and many other negs. Your neg coupled with the dispute just might be enough to put her out of business.
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I opened a "not as described" case against her, mentioned asking about the shoes here and that they're counterfeit and asked for full refund... Her answer was

"Hello,
this 10000000000000% authentic item, i sell only authentic items,
please go to any official store Versace and you confirm that the shoes authentic !!!! Please Check and close the dispute in ebay! It's not fair!
Many thanks."

As I guessed she's not very cooperative. Should I ask for proof of authenticity? Pretty sure she doesn't have any though. Should just believe they're authentic because she says so, pfffft. Didn't add any photos to case yet but maybe I should so eBay can see how off they look.

//EDIT: Chatted a bit more with her. She's asking me to go to a Versace store to authenticate them, we don't have any in Finland so it's a bit hard to go and ask about them. She told me she bought them from Versace store in Kiev and has a receipt, I asked why she didn't send it with the shoes or at least take a photo for me, she answered

"because of the custom! You would have to pay the customs duty! Do not worry! This is a authentic shoe! Please check my other items and you'll see I have all the only original! Please cancel dispute. "

"1.i have real pictures, please look listing.
2.i have receipt.
3.this 100% authentic , this 100% leather
Please send me pictures to my email"

Still no photo of the receipt. Mentioned the insole looking synthetic and not smelling like leather so that's why she's mentioning the leather. She finally answered to the case itself instead of private messages, going to add photos to the case asap when it's working. Now she also sent me a message asking if I'd like $50 refund and I asked her again for photo of the receipt.
 
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#8,328
Bring them to your local shoemaker to see if the linings are leather. If they are synthetic they cannot be genuine. If they are leather then you should get them professionally authenticated as I agree that the stamping and pattern cutting are not clean and the suede looks rough.. The seller's listings look fine to me. I don't know if Versace footwear has downgraded. The acrylic block heels and wedges that I have seen still have a leather sole and a heat embossed stamp on the heel but the ones on Farfetch do not either and look the same as yours.

The shoe can certainly be faked. The acrylic wedge is just a mold and the upper is all done by computer. There's not much that can't be faked these days but as a general rule the cutouts on luxury footwear should be very clean from the backside and the stitching should be even and symmetrical.
 
#8,329
As far as toolhaus goes none of us know if the accusation of fake was true or not so you cannot go by that. Her listings look fine but anyone can make a mistake. Again, have the linings checked out.
 
#8,330
Again, if any part of the insole or lining under the straps is synthetic then they cannot be genuine but if they are all leather I guess they could have been contracted at a factory that does not do what I consider luxury quality work. All the Versace footwear that I have seen is really beautifully constructed.
 
#8,331
devik said:
I'm certainly no expert in most of these designers and I am *not* defending a seller who sells fakes - BUT:

1. Just because someone sells one fake doesn't mean that everything they sell is fake. I'm seeing plenty of items from this seller that look authentic to me.

2. Do we KNOW that these Versace are fake? I agree that the construction is AWFUL but I've also seen quite the deterioration in quality from this designer recently. This is a crazy-complicated shoe for a counterfeiter to try and replicate. Wouldn't they go for easier shoes to copy? OTOH, I still have not seen this particular shoe from a legitimate source. Is this design even Versace at all? I sort of wonder if it's just some fancy platform shoe that the counterfeit maker put the Versace logo on. (Yes I admit that I'm saying both here - might be fake, might not be - but that's the point, I am not certain any of us KNOW do we?)

Regardless, OP those shoes are pathetic and I am not saying you should keep them. I just get nervous when all of us decide too easily if something is fake or not... and yes I'm prepared to get lots of heated reactions once again. :p

Does anyone own the shoes in question? Has anyone seen them on a legit retailer's site before? If so then I take it all back!!!! I am not saying I know either way - the quality of those pictured is horrid indeed so I hope to G. that they're not real since that to me is like the end of the world. :cool:


EDITED TO ADD: Oh yeah, I forgot that these were on Farfetch - I believe FF always has auth but I don't know?

http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/women/versace-parme-sandal-item-10199127.aspx

I guess the main reason I'm voicing concern about accusations is BeenBurned's statement that this seller could be banned from eBay with one more claim of fakes. If she is selling fakes then she deserves that!! Again, not defending her. Some of her items are also commonly faked (a few Prada bags) but there's many in the assortment that I honestly doubt are counterfeit.

Just sayin'.
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Far Fetch is a reputable site and I have never encountered issues with fakes from here.


vogueangel said:
I haven't contact her after I received them. These are the ones I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/33140557841...49&var=540584155808&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
The seller claims all her items "guaranteed 100% authentic" and she doesn't accept returns. She'll probably deny that they're counterfeit and I'll have to open a case.
eBay also has this rule that counterfeits should not be sent back to the seller but instead disposed, I had this case with one counterfeit dress. But it was less than $100 and these were $400 so they would probably ask me to pay for written authentication before refunding as the seller has pretty good feedback too.
And yes, she has a lot brand (or now most likely counterfeit) products for sale for cheap prices. Versace, Alexander McQueen, Dolce & Gabbana, Gucci... She seems to have 1 negative feedback for counterfeit which she has answered "This is fraud! Requires money, does not send the item back! This 100% authentic!" so she's probably not willing to work this out.
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The shoes in question look completely authentic to me, and this seller raises no red flags. They may have been wrongly accused of a fake in the past as many buyers don't understand how to determine authenticity. We see it all the time on tPF.

If you still want advice on to take this issue on or any other with the seller, please use our eBay from for discussing that.
Let's keep this thread on topic. Thanks!
 
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And I also agree that FF is a reputable site which is why I pointed out that those were on the same block as the OP's. Really OP, a quick trip to a local shoemaker will give you a lot of information. I personally have never seen a counterfeit that was lined in leather.
 
#8,335
shuze said:
I've certainly looked at product though not in a long time. What's your question?
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Found a pair on ebay which interests me.

Seller: jacki280690
Item: Thom Browne Womens Brogues Shoes Patent Leather Uk5
Link:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321770520342?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I have doubts over their authenticity. I'm not familiar with the brand but upon googling, I found out they are made in England.
However, from the photo in the ebay listing, the stamping was Made in Italy.
The sole also looks different, compared to the stock photo I found on google.

Thoughts, Shuze?

Thanks x
 
#8,336
dylanrash said:
Found a pair on ebay which interests me.

Seller: jacki280690
Item: Thom Browne Womens Brogues Shoes Patent Leather Uk5
Link:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321770520342?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I have doubts over their authenticity. I'm not familiar with the brand but upon googling, I found out they are made in England.
However, from the photo in the ebay listing, the stamping was Made in Italy.
The sole also looks different, compared to the stock photo I found on google.

Thoughts, Shuze?

Thanks x
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I don't know the specific shoes although I know the label and highly doubt that the brand is counterfeited as it's pretty esoteric and counterfeiting is all about volume. The company is UK based and initially did all manufacturing there but as their business has expanded they have started outsourcing and private labeling for their stores and the shoes in question are from the NY store. I know that all their clogs are Swedish so no surprise to me that they are also carrying Italian product. IMO they are authentic.
 
#8,337
dylanrash said:
Found a pair on ebay which interests me.

Seller: jacki280690
Item: Thom Browne Womens Brogues Shoes Patent Leather Uk5
Link:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321770520342?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I have doubts over their authenticity. I'm not familiar with the brand but upon googling, I found out they are made in England.
However, from the photo in the ebay listing, the stamping was Made in Italy.
The sole also looks different, compared to the stock photo I found on google.

Thoughts, Shuze?

Thanks x
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shuze said:
I don't know the specific shoes although I know the label and highly doubt that the brand is counterfeited as it's pretty esoteric and counterfeiting is all about volume. The company is UK based and initially did all manufacturing there but as their business has expanded they have started outsourcing and private labeling for their stores and the shoes in question are from the NY store. I know that all their clogs are Swedish so no surprise to me that they are also carrying Italian product. IMO they are authentic.
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Not that you need my opinion as Shuze is very knowledgable, but I agree. I don't see counterfeiters being able to match the details shown here for this brand.
 
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JetSetGo! said:
Not that you need my opinion as Shuze is very knowledgable, but I agree. I don't see counterfeiters being able to match the details shown here for this brand.
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JetSetGo-I think we need as many educated opinions as we can get (in general) around here. There seem to be very few of us that have the knowledge and the time to give to others so please do continue to chime in!
 
#8,339
shuze said:
JetSetGo-I think we need as many educated opinions as we can get (in general) around here. There seem to be very few of us that have the knowledge and the time to give to others so please do continue to chime in!
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Thanks, I definitely don't want to step on anyone's shoes, I mean toes!
 
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