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ktkatx0 said:
Hey ladies! Could someone authenticate these for me? I've searched for these online, & have found similar ones, but not these. Does anyone know the name of these? The woman who sold them to me said they were Raffia Tory Burch flats, but I just want to make sure! Thanks in advance!
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I can't say for sure if those are authentic or not because the photos don't show the details, however that style of Tory ballet flat is called the Prescot (they're not made of Raffia, as far as I can tell).
 
#8,314
devik said:
I can't say for sure if those are authentic or not because the photos don't show the details, however that style of Tory ballet flat is called the Prescot (they're not made of Raffia, as far as I can tell).
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Okay thanks! I don't know anything at all about Tory Burch products. The lighting wasn't very good in those photos. I'd like to find someone who could look at some more detailed photos & see if they know. I have no idea!
 
#8,315
vogueangel said:
Asked earlier about the Parme wedges from Versace, they arrived on Wednesday... and they don't quite seem the quality I'd expect from shoes retailing $1,600 or even the $400 I paid for them.
There's no other stamps than Versace and the logo stamped (quite badly) on the insole, size is marked with a sticker on the sole. Were sent with a box and tags marked size 37,5 instead of 38. The metal plates on the heels are detached in the middle, I can put the cardboard tag through them. The "Versace" carved on top of the plates don't quite have the S aligned. The heels have a gap between the soles above the metal plates, I can put the paper tag about 1 cm in there. On the left shoe I can put the paper tag between the platform. Distressed suede, small pointing threads here and there inside and outside the straps, some glue (on the left shoe a bit on the mesh), there's one stud on the left shoe that has scuffed flat, the lower ankle strap is so loose it's pretty pointless. They also keep weird, plastic noise while walking which I think is because of the detached metal plates.
There's another pair of these sold on eBay by US seller, her shoes seem to have also the stamps done badly. Her tags and box and say PROCAL/2011/1148/3 on the right bottom corner and mine say PROCAL/2011/1147/2, I don't know if they should be the same though?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Versace-Par...319?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4adcc02317
Farfetch has some photos in other color, not sure if the stamps look much better.
http://www.farfetch.com/fr/shopping/women/versace-parme-sandal-item-10199127.aspx
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Check your messages as my last one doesn't seem to have gone through although I messaged you when you first posted.
 
#8,323
vogueangel said:
Asked earlier about the Parme wedges from Versace, they arrived on Wednesday... and they don't quite seem the quality I'd expect from shoes retailing $1,600 or even the $400 I paid for them.
There's no other stamps than Versace and the logo stamped (quite badly) on the insole, size is marked with a sticker on the sole. Were sent with a box and tags marked size 37,5 instead of 38. The metal plates on the heels are detached in the middle, I can put the cardboard tag through them. The "Versace" carved on top of the plates don't quite have the S aligned. The heels have a gap between the soles above the metal plates, I can put the paper tag about 1 cm in there. On the left shoe I can put the paper tag between the platform. Distressed suede, small pointing threads here and there inside and outside the straps, some glue (on the left shoe a bit on the mesh), there's one stud on the left shoe that has scuffed flat, the lower ankle strap is so loose it's pretty pointless. They also keep weird, plastic noise while walking which I think is because of the detached metal plates.
There's another pair of these sold on eBay by US seller, her shoes seem to have also the stamps done badly. Her tags and box and say PROCAL/2011/1148/3 on the right bottom corner and mine say PROCAL/2011/1147/2, I don't know if they should be the same though?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Versace-Par...319?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4adcc02317
Farfetch has some photos in other color, not sure if the stamps look much better.
http://www.farfetch.com/fr/shopping/women/versace-parme-sandal-item-10199127.aspx
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vogueangel said:
Got your second message, though I can't see again. But yeah, though the same as you did - counterfeit. I'll open a "item not as described" case on eBay and hope they won't be asking me to pay for written authentication, I don't really want to spend a penny for those shoes.
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Did you contact the seller? Were they purchased from ebay?

A lot of sellers, whether they know they sold a fake or not will accept a return and refund in order to avoid disputes.

Tell her that they're fake, illegal to resell and that you want a full refund. If she wants them back, she should also reimburse return shipping since you shouldn't be out any money for fakes.

If she declines to make you whole, then you can file a dispute AND leave appropriate feedback! (Appropriate feedback probably wouldn't hurt anyway in case she has more fakes to peddle.)
 
#8,324
BeenBurned said:
Did you contact the seller? Were they purchased from ebay?

A lot of sellers, whether they know they sold a fake or not will accept a return and refund in order to avoid disputes.

Tell her that they're fake, illegal to resell and that you want a full refund. If she wants them back, she should also reimburse return shipping since you shouldn't be out any money for fakes.

If she declines to make you whole, then you can file a dispute AND leave appropriate feedback! (Appropriate feedback probably wouldn't hurt anyway in case she has more fakes to peddle.)
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I haven't contact her after I received them. These are the ones I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/33140557841...49&var=540584155808&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
The seller claims all her items "guaranteed 100% authentic" and she doesn't accept returns. She'll probably deny that they're counterfeit and I'll have to open a case.
eBay also has this rule that counterfeits should not be sent back to the seller but instead disposed, I had this case with one counterfeit dress. But it was less than $100 and these were $400 so they would probably ask me to pay for written authentication before refunding as the seller has pretty good feedback too.
And yes, she has a lot brand (or now most likely counterfeit) products for sale for cheap prices. Versace, Alexander McQueen, Dolce & Gabbana, Gucci... She seems to have 1 negative feedback for counterfeit which she has answered "This is fraud! Requires money, does not send the item back! This 100% authentic!" so she's probably not willing to work this out.
 
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vogueangel said:
I haven't contact her after I received them. These are the ones I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/33140557841...49&var=540584155808&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
The seller claims all her items "guaranteed 100% authentic" and she doesn't accept returns. She'll probably deny that they're counterfeit and I'll have to open a case.
eBay also has this rule that counterfeits should not be sent back to the seller but instead disposed, I had this case with one counterfeit dress. But it was less than $100 and these were $400 so they would probably ask me to pay for written authentication before refunding as the seller has pretty good feedback too.
And yes, she has a lot brand (or now most likely counterfeit) products for sale for cheap prices. Versace, Alexander McQueen, Dolce & Gabbana, Gucci... She seems to have 1 negative feedback for counterfeit which she has answered "This is fraud! Requires money, does not send the item back! This 100% authentic!" so she's probably not willing to work this out.
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Most habitual fake-sellers "guarantee" their items as authentic. It doesn't mean that they are, and in fact, the "fake" accusations against the seller, kvi1941 go back years.
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=kvi1941&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home

A no return policy will only be upheld in cases where SNAD is filed and the item is proven (by the seller) no to be SNAD. A counterfeit item is illegal and her "no return" policy goes out the window.

As for not having to return the fake, that's not a rule and has been very inconsistent. Persoanlly, I'm not comfortable with ebay and/or paypal deciding that a buyer should destroy an alleged fake item because there have been cases where authentic items are deemed fake, buyers KNOW they're authentic but are told to destroy the "fake" and get a refund. They end up with the item and the money and the seller is out everything.

OTOH, sellers who mistakenly list a fake (even though it's not supposed to happen had they confirmed authenticity before listing) often tell buyers to destroy the item and issue a refund anyway. That (IMO) is smart since the item is illegal to resell and either party paying for return shipping is a waste of money.

In the case of kvi1941, she already has 2 negs within the last year, one of which is for a fake and many other negs. Your neg coupled with the dispute just might be enough to put her out of business.
 
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