Authenticate This DOONEY & BOURKE

[Vlad]

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[DrPinkElephant]

While it's commendable that you came here to ask about the bag and ended your listing upon learning that it's fake, you need to learn about the illegality of your item.

It's not that it doesn't have the "stamp of approval." Counterfeit items are illegal to sell.

There's a difference between designer inspired and counterfeit.

Your bag is NOT inspired. It's counterfeit.

Inspired is when an item has a similar look of the brand but without the brand name markings. Legitimate inspired items are legal.

Counterfeit is when an item has the brand name markings and/or logos but wasn't made by the designer company.

Your item is counterfeit and illegal.

For example, this is an authentic Dooney image:
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This is a legitimate and legal designer inspired item. Notice that it doesn't have the Dooney patch, the Dooney duck fob and although we can't see the inside, it has not Dooney labeling or markings:

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And this is a listing for a fake Dooney plaque and cloth label found on iOffer:

cdn.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/520/312/325/o_dooney-bourke-metal-tags-cbb4.jpg


If an item has brand labeling but wasn't made by the company whose name appears, it's illegal to sell anywhere -- including yard sales, craigslist, poshmark, and any other venue.

I guess I'll just take the risk of getting locked up over a purse. lol

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi BB

What do you think of this?
Etsy lisiting
Dooney and bourke satchel...
Cucarachaz
https://www.etsy.com/listing/240216...ga_search_query=dooney -awl&ref=sr_gallery_34

Thank you!

It looks fine.

 

[BeenBurned]

Platform: Poshmark
Seller: k_ballantyne29

@BB, I am not saying the strap is real, or even the fob-just the Essex Carrier. I say 100% authentic, they say fake re: " it has too many pockets." Sighs. Do you have any thoughts from the pics?

https://poshmark.com/listing/Dooney-and-Bourke-Leather-Handbag-5512c00c7eb29f62bb002bb6

The pictures aren't great but I think the bag is fake. The inside looks like it has a white made in China tag, the feet are the wrong shape, the stitching on the strips that the feet are on aren't correct.

Although the seller admits that it's fake, it's still not legal to sell fakes anywhere. And these Poshmark sellers don't see to get it!

 

[BeenBurned]

I guess I'll just take the risk of getting locked up over a purse. lol

Sheesh! It's not "over a purse!"

Have any of those who think selling fakes is a harmless endeavor that only takes a few bucks from the deep pockets of the design houses needs to read a bit and learn about the horrific implications of the counterfeit trade.

Did you know that moneys from the sale of counterfeit goods helped to fund the 9/11 attacks?

Do you know that those in the counterfeit industry break the legs of young children who are forced to work long hours making these fakes?

Are you aware that lead-laden and other carcinogenic materials are used to construct fakes?

And speaking of counterfeit items, it's not just luxury handbags that are faked. My own (diabetic) son nearly died several years ago when CVS pharmacy somehow found itself with counterfeit diabetic medications. Can you imagine faking insulin?

I recommend watching a video and reading Dana Thomas's "How luxury lost its luster" for some eye-opening enlightenment.

An Insider's Perspective on the Counterfeit Industry - YouTube



Here's a short description of her book:
Deluxe: How Luxury Lost Its Luster

by Dana Thomas
3.82 of 5 stars 3.82 · rating details · 1,776 ratings · 260 reviews
A hard-hitting behind-the-scenes look at the luxury fashion industry today. There was a time when luxury was available only to the rarefied and aristocratic world of old money and royalty. Luxury wasn't simply a product, it was a lifestyle, one that denoted a history of tradition, superior quality and offered a pampered buying experience. Today's luxury marketplace would be virtually unrecognizable to its founders. Gone are the family-owned businesses dedicated to integrity and quality; the industry is now run by multi-billion dollar global corporations focused on growth, visibility, brand-awareness, advertising and above all, profits. Handcrafted goods are practically extinct, and almost all manufacturing has been outsourced to large factories in such places as China, where your expensive brand-name handbag is being assembled right next to one from a mass-market label that will cost substantially less. Dana Thomas, a journalist who has covered style and the luxury business for The Washington Post, Newsweek and The New York Times Magazine from Paris for the past fifteen years, digs deep into the dark side of the luxury industry to uncover all the secrets that Prada, Gucci and Burberry don't want us to know. Traveling from the laboratories in Grasse, where the ingredients for Christian Dior and Prada perfumes are produced, to the crowded factories in China, where workers glue together "Made in Italy" bags by the thousands, Thomas explores the whole of today's high-end shopping experience to answer some pressing questions: What is the new definition of luxury when advertising for this lifestyle is targeted mainly toward the mass market? What are we paying for when quality has given way to quantity? Can integrity survive in a corporate culture driven to meet regular growth and profit projections? Is luxury still the best that money can buy? (less)

 

[BeenBurned]

This is for Seller scwilli1 on Poshmark and others who question whether PM allows fakes.

This is on their FAQ page: https://poshmark.com/faq

Note the part in blue!!

Poshmark prohibits the sale of replicas or fakes. Please join us in respecting and celebrating the intellectual property and creativity of today's fashion designers. Members who buy, list, or otherwise attempt to sell replicas or fakes risk immediate and permanent suspension from Poshmark. Note, using a brand name to falsely describe or promote an item violates trademark law, even if the item is not explicitly "counterfeit". For example, the use of the words "inspired by" followed by a brand (for example "inspired by Chanel") is prohibited on our platform.


And the following is on their TERMS page:
(FYI, a company's person's "intellectual property" includes their trademarks and markings.)

Infringement Policy: Poshmark respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same. Poshmark will promptly process and investigate notices of alleged infringement and will take appropriate actions under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other applicable intellectual property laws with respect to any alleged or actual infringement.

It's on their Terms page:
https://poshmark.com/terms#ipw

 

[sagg99]

I took these photos with my smart phone, but I'm not smart enough to post so I used a camera to take photos from my phone lol They are blurry I'm checking because everything about the purse matches authentic Dooneys that I own, but the feet are plain round ones, and the pocket is leather with a denim looking base. any help would be appreciated

 

[sagg99]

more photos

 

[sagg99]

The bag is still at a thrift store, I'm debating whether to spend 25.00 for this bag thanks

 

[DrPinkElephant]

You guys are the Dooney & Bourke police. That's great. Yet still, I am unfazed because as far as I'm concerned it's a bag that I bought believing was real. Since it's my property, I have the right to get rid of it in the way that I choose, which may very well be selling it somewhere other then Poshmark!

Yes, I realize that the counterfeit industry is not pretty at all, but neither is throwing away a leather bag when I need money. Will I parade it around as the real thing? No.

 

[DrPinkElephant]

This is for Seller scwilli1 on Poshmark and others who question whether PM allows fakes.

This is on their FAQ page: https://poshmark.com/faq

Note the part in blue!!

Poshmark prohibits the sale of replicas or fakes. Please join us in respecting and celebrating the intellectual property and creativity of today's fashion designers. Members who buy, list, or otherwise attempt to sell replicas or fakes risk immediate and permanent suspension from Poshmark. Note, using a brand name to falsely describe or promote an item violates trademark law, even if the item is not explicitly "counterfeit". For example, the use of the words "inspired by" followed by a brand (for example "inspired by Chanel") is prohibited on our platform.


And the following is on their TERMS page:
(FYI, a company's person's "intellectual property" includes their trademarks and markings.)

Infringement Policy: Poshmark respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same. Poshmark will promptly process and investigate notices of alleged infringement and will take appropriate actions under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other applicable intellectual property laws with respect to any alleged or actual infringement.

It's on their Terms page:
https://poshmark.com/terms#ipw

Oh, and by the way, I never questioned if Poshmark allowed fakes. I knew they didn't which is why I took my post down. It's funny though, because I see all types of counterfeit items on there sold by "top sellers".

Thanks for all your valuable information

 

[Catbird9]

You guys are the Dooney & Bourke police. That's great. Yet still, I am unfazed because as far as I'm concerned it's a bag that I bought believing was real. Since it's my property, I have the right to get rid of it in the way that I choose, which may very well be selling it somewhere other then Poshmark!

Yes, I realize that the counterfeit industry is not pretty at all, but neither is throwing away a leather bag when I need money. Will I parade it around as the real thing? No.

I'm sorry you got a counterfeit purse. You now know it is counterfeit. You do not have the "right" to sell it. If you sell it (anywhere) you are committing fraud.

You have the right to:

1. Keep it and use it.
2. Destroy it.
3. Send it to Dooney & Bourke, they will destroy it for you.

I know others get away with selling fakes all the time (even charities like Goodwill), but that doesn't make it right.

 

[eyeoftheleopard]

Platform: Poshmark
Seller: k_ballantyne29

@BB, I am not saying the strap is real, or even the fob-just the Essex Carrier. I say 100% authentic, they say fake re: " it has too many pockets." Sighs. Do you have any thoughts from the pics?

https://poshmark.com/listing/Dooney-and-Bourke-Leather-Handbag-5512c00c7eb29f62bb002bb6

Thank you kindly, BB.

As to the ongoing discussion about counterfeits, seems to me ALL companies give us the same tired old line about how they don't tolerate fakes blah blah blah yet even when reported repeatedly they leave them up!

Poshmark also drones on about how hustling buyers to use PayPal to cheat them out of their cut is forbidden, yet the ppl that do it over and over and over are never banned.

The "rules" and the law are only as good as the enforcement behind it. Sad but true. Yes, it is hard to have a code and live by it while we watch others do exactly as they see fit, but that is reality, a depressing fact of life.

 

[BeenBurned]

You guys are the Dooney & Bourke police. That's great. Yet still, I am unfazed because as far as I'm concerned it's a bag that I bought believing was real. Since it's my property, I have the right to get rid of it in the way that I choose, which may very well be selling it somewhere other then Poshmark!

Yes, I realize that the counterfeit industry is not pretty at all, but neither is throwing away a leather bag when I need money. Will I parade it around as the real thing? No.

DrPinkElephant -
I think you missed my point. The reason for the lecture was because you'd stated that the seller scwilli1 would "just take the risk of getting locked up over a purse. lol." I took that to mean that you were going to sell it anyway.

If I misunderstood, I apologize.

The bottom line is that fakes are illegal and often dangerous and whether you're aware or not if it's fake, it's your responsibility as a seller to KNOW that items are authentic BEFORE listing them. If you don't know, you have to find out. That's why so many ethical sellers will post pictures of their items on whatever "authenticate this" brand subforum applies.

And for those who minimize the seriousness of the fake trade, a little light reading is often the education they need to open their eyes.

If someone sold you a fake, go after them for a refund. Don't attack the messengers who tried to enlighten you! We didn't list the fake and the removal of a fake can save your account from termination.

Oh, and by the way, I never questioned if Poshmark allowed fakes. I knew they didn't which is why I took my post down. It's funny though, because I see all types of counterfeit items on there sold by "top sellers".

Thanks for all your valuable information

I know others get away with selling fakes all the time (even charities like Goodwill), but that doesn't make it right.

This argument (that everyone else is doing it) is like one I heard from my kids when they were little! Seriously? Would you tell that to the cop who gave you a ticket for running a red light? Or to the store detective who caught you stealing a pack of cigarettes? Or to the liquor store owner to whom you gave a fake ID while trying to buy a 6-pack as a minor?

You got caught! Own your mistake and learn from it!

 

[DrPinkElephant]

DrPinkElephant -
I think you missed my point. The reason for the lecture was because you'd stated that the seller scwilli1 would "just take the risk of getting locked up over a purse. lol." I took that to mean that you were going to sell it anyway.

If I misunderstood, I apologize.

The bottom line is that fakes are illegal and often dangerous and whether you're aware or not if it's fake, it's your responsibility as a seller to KNOW that items are authentic BEFORE listing them. If you don't know, you have to find out. That's why so many ethical sellers will post pictures of their items on whatever "authenticate this" brand subforum applies.

And for those who minimize the seriousness of the fake trade, a little light reading is often the education they need to open their eyes.

If someone sold you a fake, go after them for a refund. Don't attack the messengers who tried to enlighten you! We didn't list the fake and the removal of a fake can save your account from termination.



This argument (that everyone else is doing it) is like one I heard from my kids when they were little! Seriously? Would you tell that to the cop who gave you a ticket for running a red light? Or to the store detective who caught you stealing a pack of cigarettes? Or to the liquor store owner to whom you gave a fake ID while trying to buy a 6-pack as a minor?

You got caught! Own your mistake and learn from it!

I got caught? I put it on here to get authenticated in the first place...

 

[denton]

The pictures aren't great but I think the bag is fake. The inside looks like it has a white made in China tag, the feet are the wrong shape, the stitching on the strips that the feet are on aren't correct.

Although the seller admits that it's fake, it's still not legal to sell fakes anywhere. And these Poshmark sellers don't see to get it!

Hi Beenburned:

That's a pretty good-looking fake. That is one of our favorite Dooneys. We have a half dozen of those Essex Carriers in various sizes and colors and I took some out and had a look. The main thing I see is the tag and its location, since as you say the photos are not that great.

In our bags, the tag is sown in onto the ridge on the buckle side, that is, where the woman's fingers are in the photo. The tags are not centered, they are offset to the right. i could post a photo if it matters... And as you say, the bottom is close, but no cigar.