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PLEASE AUTHENTICATE:

Item: Large Amazon Croco Leather Domed Satchel
Listing number: 201189306874
Seller: Ebay (boristhecat)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOONEY-amp-BOURKE-Stunning-Rare-Large-Amazon-Croco-Leather-Domed-Satchel-w-Strap-/201189306874?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D25410%26meid%3Db5881d1e8cf94ef79754079af3d8a581%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D10672%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111481865505&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=ZcSUmejzFfvaMKOBst57Iy5Ntqs%253D&orig_cvip=true

Comments:
I'm pretty sure the purse I just bought is a knock-off, but because Dooney has changed up its manufacturing in the last decade, not sure if the quality of my bag is real and they are just declining, or if it's a fake. I need to return it and be able to justify the return. I'm even wondering if the size of this bag is not something that Dooney actually made. It's an extra-large size 15" wide dome satchel. Thank you in advance.

See also my pics for description of issues:
The listing above shows that it was purchased, and it is I who purchased it.

When I received it, the leather seems really thin and has a missing foot. I think for a Dooney to loose the foot would be almost impossible. This purse does not have the leather reinforcements under the feet, nor does it have a stiff board in the bottom like my other, smaller, ostrich Dooney.

The leather seems thin and a scratch reveals very light-colored leather underneath - it almost seems like a cheap veneer. Also, there is a wear spot starting to show near one corner - like the color has already started to wear off. If this were a real tanned leather, I don't think the color could wear or scratch off.

There is an odd leather-covered fob hanging on the front with a strange little key inside. Also, the stitching is loose and dodgy-looking.

An inside pocket and inner zipper-pull is a natural color, instead of the croc.

Also outer tabs have a hole in the middle.

I've included shots of the cloth label.

Other images: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7hnahw2iaw44wey/logo-fob.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ovg69i5qz320gcj/missing-foot.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lk3h1hsl9uq7uk0/tag-front.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/erqyfq23grpjfyf/strap-rivet.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6xndbrhb4r2z367/phone-pouch-detail.JPG?dl=0
 

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Debbitage said:
PLEASE AUTHENTICATE:

Item: Large Amazon Croco Leather Domed Satchel
Listing number: 201189306874
Seller: Ebay (boristhecat)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOONEY-amp-BOURKE-Stunning-Rare-Large-Amazon-Croco-Leather-Domed-Satchel-w-Strap-/201189306874?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D25410%26meid%3Db5881d1e8cf94ef79754079af3d8a581%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D10672%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D111481865505&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=ZcSUmejzFfvaMKOBst57Iy5Ntqs%253D&orig_cvip=true

Comments:
I'm pretty sure the purse I just bought is a knock-off, but because Dooney has changed up its manufacturing in the last decade, not sure if the quality of my bag is real and they are just declining, or if it's a fake. I need to return it and be able to justify the return. I'm even wondering if the size of this bag is not something that Dooney actually made. It's an extra-large size 15" wide dome satchel. Thank you in advance.

See also my pics for description of issues:
The listing above shows that it was purchased, and it is I who purchased it.

When I received it, the leather seems really thin and has a missing foot. I think for a Dooney to loose the foot would be almost impossible. This purse does not have the leather reinforcements under the feet, nor does it have a stiff board in the bottom like my other, smaller, ostrich Dooney.

The leather seems thin and a scratch reveals very light-colored leather underneath - it almost seems like a cheap veneer. Also, there is a wear spot starting to show near one corner - like the color has already started to wear off. If this were a real tanned leather, I don't think the color could wear or scratch off.

There is an odd leather-covered fob hanging on the front with a strange little key inside. Also, the stitching is loose and dodgy-looking.

An inside pocket and inner zipper-pull is a natural color, instead of the croc.

Also outer tabs have a hole in the middle.

I've included shots of the cloth label.

Other images: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7hnahw2iaw44wey/logo-fob.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ovg69i5qz320gcj/missing-foot.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lk3h1hsl9uq7uk0/tag-front.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/erqyfq23grpjfyf/strap-rivet.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6xndbrhb4r2z367/phone-pouch-detail.JPG?dl=0
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elisian said:
I can't say for sure one way or the other but this looks nothing like anything in current Croco collection. Also, I have no idea what the "Amazon Croco Collection" is. http://www.dooney.com/search?q=Croco

Also, even if it were real, I think... for a used bag with a missing foot, you paid too much!
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I CAN say for sure that there's nothing with with the bag and it's an authentic Dooney. In fact, Dooneys made in Italy (in my experience) are of better quality than the Chinese made ones.

1. Just because a style isn't on its website doesn't mean that it's not made. Only the current and in-stock items are shown on the main site.
2. Some items are never on their website
3. Sellers don't always know and/or use the correct style names for their items
4. Issues happen, whether as a result of wear and tear or manufacturing defects. A missing foot is not indicative of the bag being counterfeit. This is a used bag; stuff happens.
5. The comment saying that the buyer paid too much has no relevance. An item is worth what a willing buyer thinks it's worth to her.
6. The way the cell phone pocket is designed is the way Dooney makes leather pockets in
some of its styles.

If you don't like the bag, that's one thing. But the bag is absolutely authentic.

The seller has a hassle-free 14-day return policy so you can return it for any reason. But be honest with the seller. It's unfair to accuse a seller of sending a fake if it's not fake.


BTW, welcome to TPF. I'm glad you came and asked first before accusing the seller!
 
#4,954
BeenBurned said:
I CAN say for sure that there's nothing with with the bag and it's an authentic Dooney. In fact, Dooneys made in Italy (in my experience) are of better quality than the Chinese made ones.

1. Just because a style isn't on its website doesn't mean that it's not made. Only the current and in-stock items are shown on the main site.
2. Some items are never on their website
3. Sellers don't always know and/or use the correct style names for their items
4. Issues happen, whether as a result of wear and tear or manufacturing defects. A missing foot is not indicative of the bag being counterfeit. This is a used bag; stuff happens.
5. The comment saying that the buyer paid too much has no relevance. An item is worth what a willing buyer thinks it's worth to her.
6. The way the cell phone pocket is designed is the way Dooney makes leather pockets in
some of its styles.

If you don't like the bag, that's one thing. But the bag is absolutely authentic.

The seller has a hassle-free 14-day return policy so you can return it for any reason. But be honest with the seller. It's unfair to accuse a seller of sending a fake if it's not fake.


BTW, welcome to TPF. I'm glad you came and asked first before accusing the seller!
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Thank you, you are spot on as usual. For the OP, the little holes in the tabs are where originally a small metal padlock hung on the bag, which is opened with that key in the hangtag. The Amazon line has been discontinued but they can be found currently in Dooney authorized outlet stores for amazing prices.
 
#4,955
BeenBurned said:
I CAN say for sure that there's nothing with with the bag and it's an authentic Dooney. In fact, Dooneys made in Italy (in my experience) are of better quality than the Chinese made ones.

1. Just because a style isn't on its website doesn't mean that it's not made. Only the current and in-stock items are shown on the main site.
2. Some items are never on their website
3. Sellers don't always know and/or use the correct style names for their items
4. Issues happen, whether as a result of wear and tear or manufacturing defects. A missing foot is not indicative of the bag being counterfeit. This is a used bag; stuff happens.
5. The comment saying that the buyer paid too much has no relevance. An item is worth what a willing buyer thinks it's worth to her.
6. The way the cell phone pocket is designed is the way Dooney makes leather pockets in
some of its styles.

If you don't like the bag, that's one thing. But the bag is absolutely authentic.

The seller has a hassle-free 14-day return policy so you can return it for any reason. But be honest with the seller. It's unfair to accuse a seller of sending a fake if it's not fake.


BTW, welcome to TPF. I'm glad you came and asked first before accusing the seller!
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Thanks, MiaBorsa! I wasn't doubting the authenticity, simply stating straightforwardly that I couldn't find it :) I'm glad you were able to authenticate it as a DC'ed line! And I gave my opinion about cost in that it seemed high as a percentage of what the retail value would be, given the defects -- a foot is not cheap to fix. Yes, obviously it's in the eye of the buyer, that was just my opinion. I'm not a Dooney expert like you and not pretending to be. It's interesting to learn that there are such quality concerns with the Chinese bags -- I've only ever carried vintage / made-in-USA Dooneys myself.
 
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elisian said:
Thanks, MiaBorsa! I wasn't doubting the authenticity, simply stating straightforwardly that I couldn't find it :) I'm glad you were able to authenticate it as a DC'ed line! And I gave my opinion about cost in that it seemed high as a percentage of what the retail value would be, given the defects -- a foot is not cheap to fix. Yes, obviously it's in the eye of the buyer, that was just my opinion. I'm not a Dooney expert like you and not pretending to be. It's interesting to learn that there are such quality concerns with the Chinese bags -- I've only ever carried vintage / made-in-USA Dooneys myself.
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For clarification, I didn't write that post to you; it was "BeenBurned", our resident authentication expert. :D
 
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elisian said:
It's interesting to learn that there are such quality concerns with the Chinese bags -- I've only ever carried vintage / made-in-USA Dooneys myself.
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Actually, the bag is question is an Italian-made bag which I find to be of better quality than many of the Chinese made ones.

Your complaint is more about the leather and since different cows produce different leathers and depending where the hide is taken from, leather from the same cow can have different textures.

As for your opinion of the price being high for (your opinion of) the condition, it's for this reason that we aren't supposed to discuss whether a price is high, low, reasonable (except in the deals threads) because depending on color, rarity, demand, age, etc., price can vary. There have been many instances where items will sell on the secondary market for hundreds of dollars more than original retail. (I'm not even talking about high-end like LV. About 8 years ago, there was a patchwork Coach bag that was originally about $348 and was selling on ebay between $800 and $1000!)

It's all about supply and demand.
 
#4,960
elisian said:
I can't say for sure one way or the other but this looks nothing like anything in current Croco collection. Also, I have no idea what the "Amazon Croco Collection" is. http://www.dooney.com/search?q=Croco

Also, even if it were real, I think... for a used bag with a missing foot, you paid too much!
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This was a gift and I agree that my husband and sister paid too much for the quality that it is. I know the seller showed some of the defects in the post on eBay, but upon closer inspection, the leather seemed too thin and a lot of the details were not as good looking as I expect from a Dooney. So, yeah, that's why it's going back, it's not worth what was paid, to me, anyway.
 
#4,962
Debbitage said:
This was a gift and I agree that my husband and sister paid too much for the quality that it is. I know the seller showed some of the defects in the post on eBay, but upon closer inspection, the leather seemed too thin and a lot of the details were not as good looking as I expect from a Dooney. So, yeah, that's why it's going back, it's not worth what was paid, to me, anyway.
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Hi - I am "BORISTHEKAT" (that's with a "K" not a "C" by the way.
I am obviously the seller who sold the Dooney and Bourke bag you have been referring to.

I am very sorry that the purse's quality did not measure up to your tastes, or that you feel you paid too much for it,
but can you please tell me why I got a return request from the buyer for the reason
" COUNTERFEIT or FAKE"
after the purse was deemed authentic?

If I did something wrong I would be the first one to pay the expense of returning it, (besides being mortified because I try SOOO hard to be as accurate as possible) but
by opening the return request with that reason I now have a seller "defect" from ebay,
and in addition I am forced to pay for the return shipping as well as the original shipping.

My listing was very detailed and accurate, with many photos, and I did not force anyone to bid as high as they did.
That is not very ethical under the circumstances. :nogood:
 
#4,963
Dooney and Bourke All weather leather

Seller:fconway123

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=331349068565

Comments-the feet and plastic zipper are throwing me off. I had an AWL satchel before and I don't remember if the zip was plastic.

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Authentic Dooney and Bourke "peeble" leather

Seller: silverstreak-13

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151446694488

Looks ok, just making sure (whether it's real or not. Haha)
This one has no feet which I think I prefer on a crossbody.
 
#4,964
missy_g said:
Dooney and Bourke All weather leather

Seller:fconway123

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=331349068565

Comments-the feet and plastic zipper are throwing me off. I had an AWL satchel before and I don't remember if the zip was plastic.

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Authentic Dooney and Bourke "peeble" leather

Seller: silverstreak-13

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151446694488

Looks ok, just making sure (whether it's real or not. Haha)
This one has no feet which I think I prefer on a crossbody.
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Both are authentic.
 
#4,965
thecollector629 said:
Hi - I am "BORISTHEKAT" (that's with a "K" not a "C" by the way.
I am obviously the seller who sold the Dooney and Bourke bag you have been referring to.

I am very sorry that the purse's quality did not measure up to your tastes, or that you feel you paid too much for it,
but can you please tell me why I got a return request from the buyer for the reason
" COUNTERFEIT or FAKE"
after the purse was deemed authentic?

If I did something wrong I would be the first one to pay the expense of returning it, (besides being mortified because I try SOOO hard to be as accurate as possible) but
by opening the return request with that reason I now have a seller "defect" from ebay,
and in addition I am forced to pay for the return shipping as well as the original shipping.

My listing was very detailed and accurate, with many photos, and I did not force anyone to bid as high as they did.
That is not very ethical under the circumstances. :nogood:
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While there are dishonest sellers and sellers who err but don't admit to their errors, this isn't one of those instances.

For a buyer who got an authentic item, fully and accurately described and for a price that the buyer determined by virtue of her own bids to falsely accuse the seller of breaking the law by selling a fake, that is despicable action.

I thought the buyer came here first before accusing the seller, something commendable. But to learn she got authentic but then file a dispute alleging fake is wrong.

It's this type of buyer that is forcing good sellers away from eBay.

IMHO.
 
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