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Hi ladies, can you please authenticate this purse? Thank you! :flowers:

Item: COACH Gramercy Italy BROWN Mad Men Epi LEATHER Kelly BAG
Listing number: 300673853394
Seller: vintage-wise
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Grame...394?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item46018ee7d2
Comments: Seller says strap is missing and there is a smudge inside.


The bag is an authentic Gramercy Top Handle made in 1999. It sold for $348 in 2000.

I don't see the smudge she refers to, but be sure you aren't bothered by the missing shoulder strap. Otherwise the bag "looks" fine.

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The bag is an authentic Gramercy Top Handle made in 1999. It sold for $348 in 2000.

I don't see the smudge she refers to, but be sure you aren't bothered by the missing shoulder strap. Otherwise the bag "looks" fine.

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Thank you so much DemRam! I've been hoping one of these would pop up so I'm okay with the missing shoulder strap. Maybe one day another one will pop up with a strap! Thanks again :flowers:
 
The stitching on the bottom looks bad, but I'm thinking the bottom was repaired or re-stitched. I don't think that even counterfeiters would do such a sloppy job of it.

The nearest Pat's Legacy I have to yours is from 1995 but the basic details should be the same. Here's a comparison of your photos to my bag, photo by photo:
1- bottom has apparently been restitched on one side, and NOT by Coach
2- light color underneath is normal
3- same as #2
4- the edges of Coach's leather pieces usually are undyed and look off-white. That's normal on almost all older leather Coaches, if you check listings where close-ups are shown of the inside and seams you'll see the same off-white coloring. The underside of my bag's pocket has the light color just at the 2 ends of the seam where the pieces are sewn together so I'm not sure if the white color all the way across on yours is a problem or not - I don't think so.
5- the strap edgings will almost always overlap where the ends are joined, and sometimes the edges will consist of more than one piece of leather, that's normal. If only a single piece of leather were to be used for that strap's edging it would have to be over 100 inches long, which would be almost impossible to find on most hides. Strap edges especially on such a long strap are almost never a single piece.
6- no problems that I can see
7- the slot cut for the buckle tongue so it could move back & forth is longer than usual, and the cut isn't as well-finished at the closed end as it should be - on mine it's more rounded and doesn't extend almost to the rivet reinforcing the buckle mounting.
8- if the white edge of the leather is on the inside edge in the vertical seam running down the side of the bag, that's ok
9- strap edging overlaps - sloppy but not neccessarily fake. However the buckle holes are smaller than the ones on mine.
10- it may be the angle or a matter of perspective but it looks as if the creed stamp isn't centered on the pocket. Hard to tell since I'd have to see a straight-on shot showing both edges of the pocket. But older Coaches weren't perfect and creed sometimes were off-center, and so were serial numbers.
11- slight difference in the grommet hardware for the buckle holes but that could be perfectly normal, Coach bought hardware from any number of outside suppliers. Yours looks as if there are 11 or 12 "teeth" on the back of the grommet, mine has 8.

There's no solid evidence pointing to it being fake. Most of the things you're concerned about are normal Coach production details. The slightly smaller buckle holes and difference mentioned in #7 could just be a difference due to different years, production methods and plants. It's not solid proof of a fake bag.

The only problem is the apparent repair at the bottom. It may not be noticeable right away but it's not mentioned in the listing or shown in the photos. I personally wouldn't call a rather sloppy repair " minor signs of use" but that's something you may want to take up with the seller.

thank you for the detailed reply. Just a quick note, in picture number five, the leather is overlapping in the middle of the strap not at the end of the strap. Is this typically for coach to have straps overlapping in the middle? let me know. thanks!!
 
thank you for the detailed reply. Just a quick note, in picture number five, the leather is overlapping in the middle of the strap not at the end of the strap. Is this typically for coach to have straps overlapping in the middle? let me know. thanks!!

I never really noticed. I have a Rambler Bag where it's about 1/3rd of the way up the strap from the buckle. My other bags with that type of strap are pretty well buried until I can rearrange the closet a bit but I'll try to look at them later. Maybe other posters can answer your question in the meantime.
 
Thank you so much DemRam! I've been hoping one of these would pop up so I'm okay with the missing shoulder strap. Maybe one day another one will pop up with a strap! Thanks again :flowers:

I love the Italian Coach bags!

I rehabbed a similar bag, the Gramercy Zip. The lining was very dirty but I was able to wash it and the lining came out very soft and clean, see link below.

The lining of this bag looks pretty clean from the photos but here is the link in case you need it, congratulations and good luck!
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach/now-cousin-has-come-over-italy-join-family-717893.html
 
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