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Hi ladies. I'm a bit in a quandary over this Thailand made clutch. Any thoughts are appreciated (this is not an auction item nor is it currently for sale):

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Coach did apparently have a pilot plant in Thailand in the early 2000s and made quite a few Business and Travel pieces there. I've only seen one obviously fake bag with a Thai creed but almost everything I've looked at with "L" or "R" plant codes from Thailand during that time period have been genuine, including this one.

I can't find a name for the style but it's from the "Express" line of bags and briefcases from the early 2000s, below is a co-ordinating Briefcase from the same line. The photo is from Coach's webpage from 2000.
 

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There are two things that worry me but neither one is strong enough evidence that it's fake.

One is the angle of the brass D-rings for the handle and the long strap. You can see what I mean in the second and thrird photos. Maybe it looks less "off" when it's being carried by one of the straps. Often they'll be on a bit of an angle one way or another but in the photos it looks like a pretty big angle. But at the time, asuming the month & year code are correct, the Willis style was barely a year old so maybe it's just a production mistake.

The other problem is the plant code. The only plant code I've seen "N" used for is Mexico and AFAIK that plant didn't come on line until a few years later. It's possible that there was a short-lived plant that may have used it but so far I haven't seen that code in a confirmed US-made bag. Or again, since this was the first year of the new style serial number that included style and plant codes, maybe someone just made a mistake.

These aren't solid proofs, just things that raise questions, certainly not enough to send it back to the seller as a fake but enough to make me think it might be. I wish it was possible to be more positive either way but I have to say it's "questionable". There are so many new plants opening in the early and mid-1990s and so many new creed stamps being made for each plant that it's impossible to try and document them all.

Smaller problems include the low positioning of the creed and that the little "pillow" bit of extra padding on the leather tab that fits over the turnlock doesn't have as much shape definition at the bottom as it should are causes for concern too. The font and general look of the Coach logo at the top of the creed seems a bit old for a 1994 bag but again it was a time of major changes and it's hard to find well-documented genuine bags for comparison.

If you're going to keep it, please don't sell it. If the seller will accept returns, I'd suggest sending it back unless it would just cost too much to do that.

Thank you Hyacinth for that detailed explanation; I really appreciate it. I'm a bit conflicted on what to do because I've tried to contact the seller to talk about this and she's been absolutely terrible at getting back to me (read: no contact). I'm thinking of just sending her a message saying I'm going to leave negative feedback due to no contact and a bad transaction (Paypal froze the funds and she still shipped it, 5 days later after I called Paypal!). I'd like to send it back but at the same time, I'm swamped at work and wondering if I should even bother.

Anyways, thank you for giving me an informed position on this matter, I'll see what to do. Just a word of caution to shoppers, snobchich2617 is a difficult seller to work with (never returns buyers messages or e-mails, ignores Paypal dispute department, ships 7-10 days after the auction closes, on top of what can be questionable merch), there's not even an option of trying to work this out with her. Sigh.
 
Thank you Hyacinth for that detailed explanation; I really appreciate it. I'm a bit conflicted on what to do because I've tried to contact the seller to talk about this and she's been absolutely terrible at getting back to me (read: no contact). I'm thinking of just sending her a message saying I'm going to leave negative feedback due to no contact and a bad transaction (Paypal froze the funds and she still shipped it, 5 days later after I called Paypal!). I'd like to send it back but at the same time, I'm swamped at work and wondering if I should even bother.

Anyways, thank you for giving me an informed position on this matter, I'll see what to do. Just a word of caution to shoppers, snobchich2617 is a difficult seller to work with (never returns buyers messages or e-mails, ignores Paypal dispute department, ships 7-10 days after the auction closes, on top of what can be questionable merch), there's not even an option of trying to work this out with her. Sigh.

I'd have to say that leaving a Neutral or Negative for non-contact and even after Paypal got involved is probably justified in this case. Can you reopen the case or contact Paypal again about the transaction?
BTW, I searched for both snobchich2617 and snobchick2617 and neither Ebay ID comes up in a Search, can you double-check the ID and re-post if neccessary? Thanks!
 
Coach did apparently have a pilot plant in Thailand in the early 2000s and made quite a few Business and Travel pieces there. I've only seen one obviously fake bag with a Thai creed but almost everything I've looked at with "L" or "R" plant codes from Thailand during that time period have been genuine, including this one.

I can't find a name for the style but it's from the "Express" line of bags and briefcases from the early 2000s, below is a co-ordinating Briefcase from the same line. The photo is from Coach's webpage from 2000.

Hyacinth...you're the best! :love:
 
Originally Posted by Hyacinth Coach did apparently have a pilot plant in Thailand in the early 2000s and made quite a few Business and Travel pieces there. I've only seen one obviously fake bag with a Thai creed but almost everything I've looked at with "L" or "R" plant codes from Thailand during that time period have been genuine, including this one.

I can't find a name for the style but it's from the "Express" line of bags and briefcases from the early 2000s, below is a co-ordinating Briefcase from the same line. The photo is from Coach's webpage from 2000.

Hyacinth...you're the best! :love:

:ty:
 
Item: Lot of Four coach bags (Though, I'm only interested in one in particular) If anyone knows the names of these bags, I would love to know!
Listing number: 120866015601
Seller: pporwall
Link: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/120866015601?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: I have received extra pictures from the seller on the one newer canvas bag and the hardware on the clutch. I'm worried that the price is too cheap, but they aren't properly named or categorized. Sorry I don't know much, I'm new to this. Thank you so much!

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I'd have to say that leaving a Neutral or Negative for non-contact and even after Paypal got involved is probably justified in this case. Can you reopen the case or contact Paypal again about the transaction?
BTW, I searched for both snobchich2617 and snobchick2617 and neither Ebay ID comes up in a Search, can you double-check the ID and re-post if neccessary? Thanks!
The ID is snobchic2617.
 
Hello there,
I just found two of the same style handbag (madison maggie shoulder bag #16503) in ebay, and one has the circle on the patch, and one has not. So, are both authentic? because I just bought one that it has the circle too. So, I don't know why are they different? Thanks so much!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-16503...005?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a710d28dd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-Coach-n...716?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item5ae5657af4
Both are authentic.

The one with the bullet was purchased from a Coach outlet. The other might have come from either a full priced Coach or department store or could have been from an outlet and didn't get stamped.

The bullet is stamped on boutique items when they're sent to outlets to indicate that the bag wasn't sold at full retail.
 
Thank you Hyacinth for that detailed explanation; I really appreciate it. I'm a bit conflicted on what to do because I've tried to contact the seller to talk about this and she's been absolutely terrible at getting back to me (read: no contact). I'm thinking of just sending her a message saying I'm going to leave negative feedback due to no contact and a bad transaction (Paypal froze the funds and she still shipped it, 5 days later after I called Paypal!). I'd like to send it back but at the same time, I'm swamped at work and wondering if I should even bother.

Anyways, thank you for giving me an informed position on this matter, I'll see what to do. Just a word of caution to shoppers, snobchich2617 is a difficult seller to work with (never returns buyers messages or e-mails, ignores Paypal dispute department, ships 7-10 days after the auction closes, on top of what can be questionable merch), there's not even an option of trying to work this out with her. Sigh.
The correct ID is snobchic2617 and buyers do NOT want to buy from her.

Just a word of caution: Do NOT email and threaten negative feedback. If the seller reports your message as "feedback extortion," you might be sanctioned.

What I'd suggest is to send one last message to the seller. Tell her that the bag has been deemed "questionable" with regard to authenticity (and include a link to Hyacinth's post) and you want to return it for a full refund. Let her know that you've been trying to resolve this but since she isn't responding and that you'll give her 24 hours or you'll open a dispute.

As for feedback, you can leave that anytime but I suggest waiting till you've exhausted all chances of getting a refund. And even still, she certainly doesn't deserve positive feedback.
 
Originally Posted by Hyacinth I'd have to say that leaving a Neutral or Negative for non-contact and even after Paypal got involved is probably justified in this case. Can you reopen the case or contact Paypal again about the transaction?
BTW, I searched for both snobchich2617 and snobchick2617 and neither Ebay ID comes up in a Search, can you double-check the ID and re-post if neccessary? Thanks!


Thanks, BB.

That seller's Toolhaus makes interesting reading. Why is it so hard to communicate with your customers?
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=snobchic2617&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home
 
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