Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#11,896
Hyacinth said:
I think all the pertinent details have already been mentioned.

Serial numbers are the strongest indicator of fakes, once we've established enough of a database to say for sure that a certan number or prefix is "always fake". And in this case I believe we have. The serious danger of someone who's not an expert trying to self-authenticate her own bags, like the photos BeenBurned posted as examples, should be obvious. If a seller isn't going to follow the Fakes Lists here and Daria48's list at Ebay AND the posts in this thread and in the Answer to Authenticity Questions thread pinned at the top of the Coach Shopping forum, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES.

Both BeenBurned and I have been tracking and analyzing serial numbers for at least 10 years. We've saved and compared photos and known production histories and are in a much better position than almost any seller I know to figure out which numbers are real and which aren't. We post our finds and usually a TON of photographic evidence here in these forums for anyone to see and use and we're always willing to answer questions about our statements.

And while there have been some close fakes with the J8Y- prefix, the number of fakes we've found with EXACTLY the same serial number font and creed details, combined with a few small but important mistakes in the bags in question, make naming that prefix as always fake a decision that I personally felt it was time to make. The fake turnlock on the bag in question provided additional evidence, along with the fact that the stitching, both in length and spacing as well as its color, wasn't quite right either. The bag has since been removed but I remember the stitching - after 10 years and looking at literally tens of thousands of photos, spotting it is pretty easy.

You can accept it or not, but experience and a vast photo and text library (BeenBurned, Whateve and I all have one) counts for more than even a seller's experience in these cases. The common method of spotting fakes ten years ago was "the stitching is uneven" and that was all. Every bit of evidence that's been accumulated, saved, analyzed and catalogued since then has been done in large part by the Coach experts who used to post at Ebay's Shoes Purses and Accessories forum and a small number of those experts who now post on this board, including the Fake Serial Numbers List here at tPF and the basic carved-in-stone Rules like "Coach has never made purses in Korea".

Sellers who want to avoid selling fakes even accidently need to accept that someone has done a LOT more research than most sellers could ever have the time, energy or skill to do themselves. If they don't take advantage of all that information, that's their decision, and it can end up being an expensive mistake.

BTW, the Fakes List at tPF is here - four consecutive posts, and quite a few updates as follow-up posts in the same thread, up to the present. Updates to the list will usually have a post title in Bold or Caps to make them easier to find..

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...enticity-questions-94198-72.html#post26447774
and the next 3 posts
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I just finished reading the "Fakes List". Thanks for the link! Quite a bit of information and very helpful...I have created a copy and saved it to my phone so that I can quickly reference it when I am out treasure hunting.

I appreciate the significant amount of time you all have obviously invested to research and develop this information in order to help both sellers and buyers.

Thank you!
 
#11,897
Hyacinth said:
I agree, the creed is fake and so is the bag.

And the Daria48 post or Guide that mentions Bean Bag creeds certainly doesn't state anything that would make anyone think the creed in that photo was genuine. Unless my memory is going bad, Daria48 says that there were plenty of fake Bean Bag creeds and they all should be authenticated.
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Thanks Hyacinth. Seller said they got the bag from their mother. Riiiiiighttt.
 
#11,898
BeenBurned said:
Having looked at tdavido1's other current and completed Coach listings for different bags, I don't think she's purposely listing fakes, however she isn't buying her items directly from Coach (at least not the bean bag bag) and when items aren't purchased from authorized retailers, sellers should have them looked at to confirm authenticity. (Her Willis can't be authenticated because that listing didn't have enough pictures. Hopefully her buyer got an authentic bag.)

The seller can feel free to join TPF and get her authentication questions answered before her account has violations dinging it.
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I told the seller about the Purse Forum. Hope they use it in the future.
 
#11,900
BeenBurned said:
It's not the only fake faast2014 has listed.

This is another and it's another example of a bag with what appears to be a "correct" style number but is a fake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-6351-...020989?hash=item3f5a3f0c3d:g:8x4AAOSwaA5WjT1y

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Sheesh! The green bag was removed before the end of the auction. Darn, I liked that bag. Oh well! Would like an authentic one better. :smile1:
 
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Would someone provide an opinion on this Coach bucket please. The font of the first set of numbers in the creed seems to be a bit different from the second set. Thanks!
 

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#11,904
maramd said:
Thanks Hyacinth. Seller said they got the bag from their mother. Riiiiiighttt.
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She very well might have gotten the bag from her mother. And her mother got it at a flea market!

Originally Posted by BeenBurned

It's not the only fake faast2014 has listed.

This is another and it's another example of a bag with what appears to be a "correct" style number but is a fake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-6351-S...4AAOSwaA5WjT1y

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/8x4AAO...1y/s-l1600.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hzwAAO...2F/s-l1600.jpg
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maramd said:
Sheesh! The green bag was removed before the end of the auction. Darn, I liked that bag. Oh well! Would like an authentic one better. :smile1:
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DO NOT BUY FROM faast2014.

Both fakes were relisted:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-DRAWS...293886?hash=item3f5a8f817e:g:gTYAAOSwoydWlEmV

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Small...309909?hash=item3f5a8fc015:g:n2YAAOSwFqJWlE9O
 
#11,905
ekhfashions said:
Would someone provide an opinion on this Coach bucket please. The font of the first set of numbers in the creed seems to be a bit different from the second set. Thanks!
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The other ones for sale on Ebay from the same plant (93) have exactly the same variations.

Older Coaches didn't always have stamps where all the digits were identical or that lined up perfectly. That doesn't mean they're fake. I don't see any problems with this one.
 
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#11,907
I need to authenticate this really cute Coach purse that my friend got me from a thrift store! I know nothing about Coach and when I look online, it doesnt have any of the normal signs of being a Coach purse 😕
It has a blue silk interior and the word Coach in script on the metal part (as u can see). The stitching is super neat and the hangtag is the same material black leather.
 

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#11,909
Could someone please authenticate this Coach bag?
My first of 2016 from GW...and redemption from the look-alike FAKE I bought in 2014 with the dreaded J8Y prefix :)
Approx. 7"w x 7"h x 3"d. Strap 23.5" to rings.
1998 Companion Flap #9076, right?
Thanks in advance, as always!
 

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#11,910
Nikkimp said:
I need to authenticate this really cute Coach purse that my friend got me from a thrift store! I know nothing about Coach and when I look online, it doesnt have any of the normal signs of being a Coach purse 😕
It has a blue silk interior and the word Coach in script on the metal part (as u can see). The stitching is super neat and the hangtag is the same material black leather.
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Please read post number One in this thread for a list of the details we need to see in photos. Nothing can be authenticated with just one picture of only a small part of the purse.
 
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