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#9,721
BeenBurned said:
I'm curious about a Sonoma drawstring bag, style 4931.

Every other listing I've found (on ebay) shows striped lining.

Is this bag authentic? It has solid lining and a different border on the creed and the font doesn't look quite like I expect from the H plant.

Listia seller - Cashmere17
Item - sonoma drawstring bag, 4931
Title: FAB. RARE VINTAGE AUTHENTIC COACH PINK SUEDE LEATHER BUCKET HANDBAG WITH DRAWSTRING #B5H-4931
https://www.listia.com/auction/26580074-fab-rare-vintage-authentic-coach-pink

In the following, I've shown this creed as compared with others of the same style (dfferent plants) as well as this creed compared to another from the same year and plant (but different month and style).

This is more of a curiosity/learning question for my own educational purposes. I don't believe that the Listia bag is authentic.)

Thanks!
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Yes the Listia listing is fake. Not only is the lining wrong, but it doesn't have a Sonoma zipper pull.
The creed has the wrong font and spacing for the H plant. I believe the last creed you show on the right has problems as well. It is too puffy. Below are two authentic H plant creeds for 1995.

Another thing to consider is that Sonomas were only made in certain plants. I've never seen an authentic Sonoma made in the H plant. Even though one of the examples has striped lining, it isn't a Sonoma.
 

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#9,722
BeenBurned said:
I'm curious about a Sonoma drawstring bag, style 4931.

Every other listing I've found (on ebay) shows striped lining.

Is this bag authentic? It has solid lining and a different border on the creed and the font doesn't look quite like I expect from the H plant.

Listia seller - Cashmere17
Item - sonoma drawstring bag, 4931
Title: FAB. RARE VINTAGE AUTHENTIC COACH PINK SUEDE LEATHER BUCKET HANDBAG WITH DRAWSTRING #B5H-4931
https://www.listia.com/auction/26580074-fab-rare-vintage-authentic-coach-pink

In the following, I've shown this creed as compared with others of the same style (dfferent plants) as well as this creed compared to another from the same year and plant (but different month and style).

This is more of a curiosity/learning question for my own educational purposes. I don't believe that the Listia bag is authentic.)

Thanks!
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whateve said:
Yes the Listia listing is fake. Not only is the lining wrong, but it doesn't have a Sonoma zipper pull.
The creed has the wrong font and spacing for the H plant. I believe the last creed you show on the right has problems as well. It is too puffy. Below are two authentic H plant creeds for 1995.

Another thing to consider is that Sonomas were only made in certain plants. I've never seen an authentic Sonoma made in the H plant. Even though one of the examples has striped lining, it isn't a Sonoma.
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Thanks, Whateve. Let's see if cashmere17 (or Listia) does the right thing by ending the listing! I didn't realize that the Sonomas weren't made in the H plant; I just knew the font was wrong.
 
#9,724
prufrockcoat said:
Item: Coach purse vintage
Listing number: 161837043314
Seller: cindy42686
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-purse-vintage-/161837043314?hash=item25ae3d4e72
Comments: The creed on this bag has a number of details throwing up red warning flags for me. I'd like to confirm my suspicions.
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It's fine. It's one of those valid mistakes. Whoever was stamping it accidentally turned the center digit, which should have been a dash, to a number. Where the bottom of the "N" is cut off is something else that might have happened on an authentic creed.
 
#9,725
whateve said:
Yes the Listia listing is fake. Not only is the lining wrong, but it doesn't have a Sonoma zipper pull.
The creed has the wrong font and spacing for the H plant. I believe the last creed you show on the right has problems as well. It is too puffy. Below are two authentic H plant creeds for 1995.

Another thing to consider is that Sonomas were only made in certain plants. I've never seen an authentic Sonoma made in the H plant. Even though one of the examples has striped lining, it isn't a Sonoma.
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BeenBurned said:
Thanks, Whateve. Let's see if cashmere17 (or Listia) does the right thing by ending the listing! I didn't realize that the Sonomas weren't made in the H plant; I just knew the font was wrong.
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I can't say I'm not surprised at the LISTIA SELLER, CASHMERE17. Instead of being an honest seller and ending her listing, she hid the comment giving her a link to TPF and the fact that her bag is fake. An honest seller would have ended her listing! Do not buy from CASHMERE17.
 
#9,726
whateve said:
It's fine. It's one of those valid mistakes. Whoever was stamping it accidentally turned the center digit, which should have been a dash, to a number. Where the bottom of the "N" is cut off is something else that might have happened on an authentic creed.
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Does it vary factory-to-factory whether the creed says "Made in the United States" vs. "Made in the U.S.A."? One of the guides mentions that Lightweight bags sometimes have the latter but I haven't seen it on other City Bags yet.
 
#9,727
BeenBurned said:
I'm curious about a Sonoma drawstring bag, style 4931.

Every other listing I've found (on ebay) shows striped lining.

Is this bag authentic? It has solid lining and a different border on the creed and the font doesn't look quite like I expect from the H plant.

Listia seller - Cashmere17
Item - sonoma drawstring bag, 4931
Title: FAB. RARE VINTAGE AUTHENTIC COACH PINK SUEDE LEATHER BUCKET HANDBAG WITH DRAWSTRING #B5H-4931
https://www.listia.com/auction/26580074-fab-rare-vintage-authentic-coach-pink

In the following, I've shown this creed as compared with others of the same style (dfferent plants) as well as this creed compared to another from the same year and plant (but different month and style).

This is more of a curiosity/learning question for my own educational purposes. I don't believe that the Listia bag is authentic.)

Thanks!
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Fake. I don't have ANY photos of any Sonomas from the H plant, although that doesn't prove they weren't made there. But the inside pocket has the wrong zipper pull, the whole leather border around that inside zipper looks like shyte and the stitching on it is completely wrong. The metal hangtag is also fake, and the configuration of the slider adjustment on the long strap is also completely wrong - the strap buckle isn't even attached correctly,

Here's a real one, compare the details I mentioned. PLUS the cwap creed and lining, of course. The keyfob on the inside zipper pull was added by one of the owners..:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...andbag-4931-/171943533318?hash=item2808a21b06

JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND AGAINST BUYING ANY LISTIA ITEMS. Even if both BB and I reported the fake, it wouldn't be removed. Listia management doesn't give a fat rat's patoot how many fakes are sold from their site or how many members are cheated.
 
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#9,728
Hyacinth said:
Fake. I don't have ANY photos of any Sonomas from the H plant, although that doesn't prove they weren't made there. But the inside pocket has the wrong zipper pull, the whole leather border around that inside zipper looks like shyte and the stitching on it is completely wrong. The metal hangtag is also fake, and the configuration of the slider adjustment on the long strap is also completely wrong - the strap buckle isn't even attached correctly,

Here's a real one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...andbag-4931-/171943533318?hash=item2808a21b06
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Thank you too, Hyacinth. In fact, that listing you used to show a genuine version of the same style as Cashmere17's fake is copying is one of the comparison creeds I used to compare to the Listia fake.
 
#9,729
prufrockcoat said:
Does it vary factory-to-factory whether the creed says "Made in the United States" vs. "Made in the U.S.A."? One of the guides mentions that Lightweight bags sometimes have the latter but I haven't seen it on other City Bags yet.
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The Made in the USA stamps were MOSTLY BUT NOT ALWAYS in Lightweight styles. It's almost impossible to pin it down to a specific factory since those bags don't have any factory or year codes.

Are you including the City Bags with the Lightweights? Because they're not. Lightweights and later Sohos usually have style numbers starting with 40** or 41**. And they don't have turnlocks.
 
#9,731
mellopan said:
Sorry for so many requests recently, but I need help again with an authentication!

The bag is listed here https://www.poshmark.com/listings/560972396d64bc087e01501c

It doesn't seem to have a serial number and measures 6" across, 5" tall. If anybody knows what it's actually called, or have photos of it to compare scale, I would really really appreciate it as I cannot imagine it in my head being so small...
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I don't see any measurements listed but it's definitely NOT 6x5 inches unless the hand in the photo belongs to a Barbie Doll. Where are you getting those measurements? If that hand actually belongs to a human it looks more like around 9 or 10 inches in length at top and bottom and about the same in height but I don't know the style number or name. Maybe if someone else recognises it they can go further.
 
#9,732
Hyacinth said:
I don't see any measurements listed but it's definitely NOT 6x5 inches unless the hand in the photo belongs to a Barbie Doll. Where are you getting those measurements? If that hand actually belongs to a human it looks more like around 9 or 10 inches in length at top and bottom and about the same in height but I don't know the style number or name. Maybe if someone else recognises it they can go further.
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I know! I thought I was crazy, that definitely looks much bigger. The seller has it listed on mercari as well and I even asked her if she's sure of the measurements!

https://item.mercari.com/gl/m334171713/

*The measurements are in the comments
 
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#9,733
mellopan said:
I know! I thought I was crazy, that definitely looks much bigger. The seller has it listed on mercari as well and I even asked her if she's sure of the measurements!

https://item.mercari.com/gl/m334171713/

*The measurements are in the comments
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I've seen this somewhere before. I'm pretty sure it is the size of a pouch, pretty small but bigger than 6 inches across. Probably closer to 8 or 9 inches.

ETA: I haven't found this exact item yet but the style seems to be from around 2001.
 
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#9,734
mellopan said:
Sorry for so many requests recently, but I need help again with an authentication!

The bag is listed here https://www.poshmark.com/listings/560972396d64bc087e01501c

It doesn't seem to have a serial number and measures 6" across, 5" tall. If anybody knows what it's actually called, or have photos of it to compare scale, I would really really appreciate it as I cannot imagine it in my head being so small...
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whateve said:
I've seen this somewhere before. I'm pretty sure it is the size of a pouch, pretty small but bigger than 6 inches across. Probably closer to 8 or 9 inches.

ETA: I haven't found this exact item yet but the style seems to be from around 2001.
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I found a number and a photo but no meeasurements. But looking at the size of the price tag compared to the size of the bag, I think Whateve is right, it's a pouch of some kind, which would explain why there's no serial number inside the bag. And since the size of a folded Factory price tag is about 1 1/2 inches on eaach side, it could be close to the size the seller claims.

But what would anyone actually DO with something that small, and with no shoulder strap?
 

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