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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#55,186
Hyacinth said:
It looks like all the serial font and "No" digits match except the H. Which probably means that piece of the stamp mechanism was changed or replaced some time that year. All those pieces were designed to be replaceable.
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I wasn't even wondering about the "H." The differences I was concerned with was in No. Except for the one that matched, every other 1997 H creed had only a small dot underscore.

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#55,190
Hyacinth said:
Just a quick detour to point out why doing research the way we see it involves keeping and using a large and comprehensive photo library, the two examples I'm showing were the first two photos from a Costa Rica plant using the "M" plant code that I found in my file. There are probably several others.

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with that stamp OR that bag other than that it wasn't stamped deeply enough, the top layer of the leather patch is deeply and heavily textured which probably would have made stamping it much harder than these 2 examples and the example that Whateve posted. It happens.
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!
 
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msplvsmsp said:
Hello authenticators,

Would you terribly mind authenticating this bag? Thank you so much in advance. I greatly appreciate all of your time, help and knowledge.

Item: Coach 9966
Listing number: 164479872233
Seller and site where listed: Ebay, seller ID: girl.ml
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Brown-Leather-Janice-Legacy-Zip-Shoulder-Bag-9966-Vintage/164479872233?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=225086&meid=03b60facfb2e4351bd15562dfa1b359e&pid=100675&rk=1&rkt=15&mehot=none&sd=164479872233&itm=164479872233&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2380057&brand=Coach&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:1f3d29b3-1ec3-11eb-9713-6a0ac821c967|parentrq:944d4df01750a9c4c0ce6a5afff172dc|iid:1
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Authentic.

But this one is fake (also from girl.ml):
www.ebay.com

Rare Vintage Coach Handbag Brown Metropolis 9022 Saddle Leather Purse Excellent | eBay

Condition is "Pre-owned". "This bag is in Excellent Condition! There is no leather loss. Inside nice and clean. Turnlock nice and tight. Strap looks great. It has been used very gently but used none-the-less and does reflect that fact.
www.ebay.com
 
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whateve said:
It's fine.
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BeenBurned said:
Authentic.

But this one is fake (also from girl.ml):
www.ebay.com

Rare Vintage Coach Handbag Brown Metropolis 9022 Saddle Leather Purse Excellent | eBay

Condition is "Pre-owned". "This bag is in Excellent Condition! There is no leather loss. Inside nice and clean. Turnlock nice and tight. Strap looks great. It has been used very gently but used none-the-less and does reflect that fact.
www.ebay.com
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@whateve @BeenBurned Thank you so much for your help! Very much appreciate you both!
 
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Dear authenticators, request to authenticate please. Thank you!

Item: Casey
Where purchased or how obtained: thrift store
Comments: Bought for 3$ mainly for the hangtag because I have a Station and a court in this colour that do not have a hangtag. I believe it is counterfeit but request your expertise to confirm that it is indeed so please. Dimensions are 6" height, 7 1/2" width, 3" depth. I think I am going to dismantle if fake and try my hand a making small leather goods, tassels etc.
Pardon if there are too many photos of the creed, I had trouble getting one good photo and I am hoping you will be able to see enough in my less than acceptable photos.
 

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Jacynthe said:
Dear authenticators, request to authenticate please. Thank you!

Item: Casey
Where purchased or how obtained: thrift store
Comments: Bought for 3$ mainly for the hangtag because I have a Station and a court in this colour that do not have a hangtag. I believe it is counterfeit but request your expertise to confirm that it is indeed so please. Dimensions are 6" height, 7 1/2" width, 3" depth. I think I am going to dismantle if fake and try my hand a making small leather goods, tassels etc.
Pardon if there are too many photos of the creed, I had trouble getting one good photo and I am hoping you will be able to see enough in my less than acceptable photos.
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You're correct. It's fake.
 
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BeenBurned said:
I wasn't even wondering about the "H." The differences I was concerned with was in No. Except for the one that matched, every other 1997 H creed had only a small dot underscore.

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Unless there's something else wrong with the bag, I wouldn't worry about it. There are so many variations in that particular plant code stamping that it's probably a floater code and a stamp that was kicked around among temporary production facilities like rented plants or production lines. The floater plant codes have the most variations, I'm even wondering if the slightly larger plant code for those stamps was a deliberate choice by Coach to indicate a temporary plant, but that's probably giving them too much credit for creativity. You can see small differences between all of them in one detail or another. When a letter or number wore out or was damaged they probably just dug into the "Retired Stamp Drawer" and took the bit that needed replacing from a retired stamp, I doubt if counterfeiters 20 years ago knew or cared about those details or would have copied them in their fakes. A few may have copied the larger H but not the rest of the details. Most of them couldn't even read the English alphabet.

All this is just speculation on my part like a lot of other stuff is, but what else do we have to go on?
 
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