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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
Thank you and be safe!
 
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#48,905
VintageIsBest said:
Good morning authenticators. Can you please authenticate this for me? Thanks!
Item: ramblers legacy
Seller: shannondare
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402247342204
Comments: I attached an additional creed photo.
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VintageIsBest said:
Hi again! Can you please authenticate this as well? Thanks again! :smile:
Item: legacy west demi pouch
Seller: Chrisonya
Link: https://merc.li/24gE6RsJb
Comments: I’ve included an additional photo of the creed.
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Both are genuine.
 
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kauldryn said:
Hello Experts,
I have recently purchased my first two Coach bags and I believe one or both may be fakes (I do really hope the tan one is authentic because it is very nice). Any help is greatly appreciated!

Coach Bixby No K5D 9984 & L5B 9984
I have done hours of research and one thing I learned is that the O rings should not be open; these are both open and also the hardware is not the same on both bags.

The brown leather is stiff and warped while the tan is soft. Brown tag looks very questionable after what I have seen and I am also unable to locate L5B in that style #

Key tags on brown are split and tan is double sided.

Both are same dimensions except for the thin straps which are longer (maybe stretched) on the brown. Tan seems unused.

I hope I did this properly. Thank you.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/779153104/vintage-coach-cognac-bixby-sling-bag-usa?ref=user_profile

https://www.etsy.com/listing/761981350/coach-sling-backpack?ref=user_profile

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kauldryn said:
There is also this strap situation where the brown tapers to a weird shape and the stitching is pretty bad.

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Welcome. You did a nice job for your first post. But you missed the seller IDs.

Your suspicion about the brown bag is correct. Seller CitrusAndSageStudio
sold a fake.

The bag from Beachbumresale is authentic.
 
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kauldryn said:
Hello Experts,
I have recently purchased my first two Coach bags and I believe one or both may be fakes (I do really hope the tan one is authentic because it is very nice). Any help is greatly appreciated!

Coach Bixby No K5D 9984 & L5B 9984
I have done hours of research and one thing I learned is that the O rings should not be open; these are both open and also the hardware is not the same on both bags.

The brown leather is stiff and warped while the tan is soft. Brown tag looks very questionable after what I have seen and I am also unable to locate L5B in that style #

Key tags on brown are split and tan is double sided.

Both are same dimensions except for the thin straps which are longer (maybe stretched) on the brown. Tan seems unused.

I hope I did this properly. Thank you.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/779153104/vintage-coach-cognac-bixby-sling-bag-usa?ref=user_profile

https://www.etsy.com/listing/761981350/coach-sling-backpack?ref=user_profile

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In the future, please try to include larger photos, or thumbnails that can be enlarged, of the creed stamps and serial numbers. Those items include information that's critical to authenticating and we need to see the details clearly. The darker brown one is very hard to read. If good pictures are already included in the auction listing, most of the time there's no need to re-post unless you want to point out specific areas, which you did in this case.

I'm not sure what you mean by the O-rings being open? By "open" do you mean not soldered closed? If they were permanently closed, how would you replace the strap or clean the O-rings? O-rings on vintage bags with "permanent" straps are designed to be pried open. Don't try to apply the same (non-existant) Rules to vintage bags as to newer styles. And most of those so-called Rules you find on the internet about newer styles are just as inaccurate, read my Signature under every one of my posts.

I'm not at all happy with the darker brown one. If you had asked for authentication before buying we would have advised you not to bid, there just aren't any photos in the listing that do anything to show the bag is authentic. Listings for items that should have a creed patch and serial number should always include photos of those details or you simply should not bid on them, there are too many fake Coaches out there.

I'm concerned with what I can see of the creed and serial number - a better and slightly larger photo would help, photographed as flat as you can make it - and also a few small details like the shape of the o-ring and the poorly stamped hangtag. Neither of those are quite what they should be but I can only compare them to another bag of the same style from the same plant and I can't find any. The tan bag is from another plant and sometimes there might be small differences between plants.

OTHER OPINIONS ARE WELCOME.

ETA - and other opinions are posted. Excellent, I'm glad I wasn't being too paranoid. I was just going to point out the big difference in the number and size of the stitches on the two leather strap "keepers" by each buckle but now I guess I don't have to. Thanks, BB!
 
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kauldryn said:
Hello Experts,
I have recently purchased my first two Coach bags and I believe one or both may be fakes (I do really hope the tan one is authentic because it is very nice). Any help is greatly appreciated!

Coach Bixby No K5D 9984 & L5B 9984
I have done hours of research and one thing I learned is that the O rings should not be open; these are both open and also the hardware is not the same on both bags.

The brown leather is stiff and warped while the tan is soft. Brown tag looks very questionable after what I have seen and I am also unable to locate L5B in that style #

Key tags on brown are split and tan is double sided.

Both are same dimensions except for the thin straps which are longer (maybe stretched) on the brown. Tan seems unused.

I hope I did this properly. Thank you.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/779153104/vintage-coach-cognac-bixby-sling-bag-usa?ref=user_profile

https://www.etsy.com/listing/761981350/coach-sling-backpack?ref=user_profile

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Hyacinth said:
In the future, please try to include larger photos, or thumbnails that can be enlarged, of the creed stamps and serial numbers. Those items include information that's critical to authenticating and we need to see the details clearly. The darker brown one is very hard to read. If good pictures are already included in the auction listing, most of the time there's no need to re-post unless you want to point out specific areas, which you did in this case.

I'm not sure what you mean by the O-rings being open? By "open" do you mean not soldered closed? If they were permanently closed, how would you replace the strap or clean the O-rings? O-rings on vintage bags with "permanent" straps are designed to be pried open. Don't try to apply the same (non-existant) Rules to vintage bags as to newer styles. And most of those so-called Rules you find on the internet about newer styles are just as inaccurate, read my Signature under every one of my posts.

I'm not at all happy with the darker brown one. If you had asked for authentication before buying we would have advised you not to bid, there just aren't any photos in the listing that do anything to show the bag is authentic. Listings for items that should have a creed patch and serial number should always include photos of those details or you simply should not bid on them, there are too many fake Coaches out there.

I'm concerned with what I can see of the creed and serial number - a better and slightly larger photo would help, photographed as flat as you can make it - and also a few small details like the shape of the o-ring and the poorly stamped hangtag. Neither of those are quite what they should be but I can only compare them to another bag of the same style from the same plant and I can't find any. The tan bag is from another plant and sometimes there might be small differences between plants.

OTHER OPINIONS ARE WELCOME.

ETA - and other opinions are posted. Excellent, I'm glad I wasn't being too paranoid. I was just going to point out the big difference in the number and size of the stitches on the two leather strap "keepers" by each buckle but now I guess I don't have to. Thanks, BB!
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For the record, here's a comparison of the creed from your fake from CitrusAndSageStudio vs the creed from an authentic bag made in the same month/year/plant:
Etsy CitrusAndSageStudio fake L5B vs authentic.png
 
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