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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
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  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
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#47,701
Kewlique said:
Hi, is this bag authentic? Thank you for your time and expertise.

Item: Coach saddle 23 in British Tan Ember
Seller: star_avenue (Anna V)
Link: https://posh.mk/oTLheSDCl5
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I really doubt this can be authenticated. Coach did sell bags like this with blank creeds that weren't sewn into the bag. At the time of the sale, they would personalize the creed for you and then somehow attach it to the bag. You could have the creed say anything you wanted, like Happy Birthday! I wonder if the seller really bought this in 2016 and chose not to have the creed personalized nor sewn into the bag, or if she bought it later at the outlet. In February of this year, I saw these at the outlet but in a different color. I was really tempted but decided not to buy because I imagined it would be difficult to sell later due to authentication problems.

More opinions are welcome.
 
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#47,703
BeenBurned said:
I understand and have no issue with buyers or sellers of preloved items when those items and sellers are on sites that take action on reports or sellers who respond and end listings when informed that they've listed a fake.

Unfortunately, a lot of sellers who seem to know that PM doesn't give a horse's patottie about fakes and after being unable to list on safer sites go there to peddle their fakes.

If you find items you're interested in on other sites, I'll look at them.
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Thank you once again. Yes if I do find another bag on a different site.
 
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#47,705
whateve said:
The listings isn't available.
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whateve said:
I really doubt this can be authenticated. Coach did sell bags like this with blank creeds that weren't sewn into the bag. At the time of the sale, they would personalize the creed for you and then somehow attach it to the bag. You could have the creed say anything you wanted, like Happy Birthday! I wonder if the seller really bought this in 2016 and chose not to have the creed personalized nor sewn into the bag, or if she bought it later at the outlet. In February of this year, I saw these at the outlet but in a different color. I was really tempted but decided not to buy because I imagined it would be difficult to sell later due to authentication problems.

More opinions are welcome.
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Wow I thought all coach bags would come with the creed or story patch sewn or hot stamped to their bags. I learnt alot today. Thank you once again.
 
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#47,707
whateve said:
Both are authentic. The first is a mini pouch 9740.
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What the seller posted about the first bag and showed in her photos surprises me. Why does it have 2 serial numbers? Have you ever come across that before? And it's strange that the two prefixes are almost 400 numbers apart. Do you think it was just a mistake at the plant where they stamped the wrong piece of leather and then added it to a different bag and hoped that no one would notice?
"... open pocket under flap, int. open pocket §Rare double-stamped creed & serial numbers: No. 004-3629 on open pocket & No. 407-9530 on pocket under flap (Made in New York City, U.S.A.)"
 
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Hyacinth said:
What the seller posted about the first bag and showed in her photos surprises me. Why does it have 2 serial numbers? Have you ever come across that before? And it's strange that the two prefixes are almost 400 numbers apart. Do you think it was just a mistake at the plant where they stamped the wrong piece of leather and then added it to a different bag and hoped that no one would notice?
"... open pocket under flap, int. open pocket §Rare double-stamped creed & serial numbers: No. 004-3629 on open pocket & No. 407-9530 on pocket under flap (Made in New York City, U.S.A.)"
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I can't recall ever seeing it before. I've seen double stamping where there was a creed stamped on top on another, slightly offset. I think that when the pieces of leather were cut, the piece for the back wall was pre-stamped with the number. They probably stamped a bunch at one time. Remember, we've never seen any indication that numbers were used in order. Maybe different employees were given different ranges of numbers so they could keep track of who made them.

On some bags, the back wall piece was the same size as the piece for the front pocket and sometimes the craftsman grabbed the wrong piece or sewed it in the wrong place, which is why we see station bags with creeds inside the front pocket. I think in this case, the craftsman didn't realize there was already a creed in the bag when he grabbed the second piece, and the bag ended up with 2 creeds. Maybe one person started it and another finished it. We'll never know.
 
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whateve said:
On some bags, the back wall piece was the same size as the piece for the front pocket and sometimes the craftsman grabbed the wrong piece or sewed it in the wrong place, which is why we see station bags with creeds inside the front pocket. I think in this case, the craftsman didn't realize there was already a creed in the bag when he grabbed the second piece, and the bag ended up with 2 creeds. Maybe one person started it and another finished it. We'll never know.
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I wonder if there's another bag somewhere without a creed since this bag for 2 of them!
 
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#47,711
houseof999 said:
Sheridan Strap:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264683447704
Seller: linjoygoldie
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I don't remember ever seeing a genuine Sheridan strap with the Coach name stamped on the buckle before, and I've owned at least 8 or 9 Sheridans and Dakotas. Whateve and BeenBurned, what about you? Coach didn't stamp their names on buckles until the mis-1990s and never in that position, but maybe someone ellse has seen bags I haven't. There's a very good possibility that it's from a Korean fake. It seems pretty dark for a Sheridan strap too.
 
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houseof999 said:
Sheridan Strap:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264683447704
Seller: linjoygoldie
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Hyacinth said:
I don't remember ever seeing a genuine Sheridan strap with the Coach name stamped on the buckle before, and I've owned at least 8 or 9 Sheridans and Dakotas. Whateve and BeenBurned, what about you? Coach didn't stamp their names on buckles until the mis-1990s and never in that position, but maybe someone ellse has seen bags I haven't. There's a very good possibility that it's from a Korean fake. It seems pretty dark for a Sheridan strap too.
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I don't believe it is authentic. The logo looks kind of sloppy, not really the right font. None of my Sheridans or Dakotas ever had a logo on the buckle. That type of attachment was only used on a very few bags and I don't recall seeing it on any Sheridan or Dakota. The shape of the ends is off.green005.jpg
Here is a picture from one of my Sheridans showing the attachment. They weren't removable.
 
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whateve said:
I don't believe it is authentic. The logo looks kind of sloppy, not really the right font. None of my Sheridans or Dakotas ever had a logo on the buckle. That type of attachment was only used on a very few bags and I don't recall seeing it on any Sheridan or Dakota. The shape of the ends is off.View attachment 4702626
Here is a picture from one of my Sheridans showing the attachment. They weren't removable.
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I've had one or two Sheridans where that kind of strap was removeable, because I've swapped the strap around among other Sheridans to give a bag the extra crossbody length I needed. I couldn't tell you which style it was originally available on though, it's made a few trips through my collection since then. Right now it's on one of my Glenwoods but I don't think that's the bag it originally came with.

Sometimes if you just wriggle or move the end of the strap right by that round brass thingie around a little bit you might see a bit of the slit that allows the end to be opened up. There were some permantly fastened straps similar to it too so maybe yours is one of those, I think the removeable ones had smaller and rounder ball-thingies, that hardware bit on the strap now on my Glenwood looks smaller than yours. Sorry I don't have a camera or I'd take a photo for comparison. But I agree with you about the strap in the Ebay listing probably not being genuine.

ETA - damn, I just looked at the clock. Gotta get to bed, I'll look through a few of my other Sheridans tomorrow, if I survive my trip to the grocery store. And if I ever find the hoarding SOB who's buying up all the blasted toilet paper I'll rip his gonads off.
 
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whateve said:
I really doubt this can be authenticated. Coach did sell bags like this with blank creeds that weren't sewn into the bag. At the time of the sale, they would personalize the creed for you and then somehow attach it to the bag. You could have the creed say anything you wanted, like Happy Birthday! I wonder if the seller really bought this in 2016 and chose not to have the creed personalized nor sewn into the bag, or if she bought it later at the outlet. In February of this year, I saw these at the outlet but in a different color. I was really tempted but decided not to buy because I imagined it would be difficult to sell later due to authentication problems.

More opinions are welcome.
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I was at the Coach outlet and they had numerous bags like this one, I did not buy for the same reason.
 
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