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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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AshleyMaree85 said:
I hope I'm doing this right! I haven't posted in the PF in a long time.

The item in question is a Coach Rogue 30 First Generation in Black #20315. I received this bag through FB purse trading groups. The lady I traded with is well known in the groups and I have known her for years myself with many many great trades together. Anyway, after I traded this bag to another girl, it's authenticity has been questioned. The bag feels, looks and even smells like very good quality Coach, so I never even considered it could be a fake! The owner before me said the same thing and insisted there's no way its fake. Anyway, after a ton of research I'm still uncertain about its authenticity so I was hoping you all may be able to help! Here is the bag in question with all the pics necessary to determine authenticity. Please let me know what you all think. Ty! ❤️ (sorry if the pics are out of order)
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Can you post a picture of the kisslock pocket? Also can you see if there's a little white tag with serial number inside the zippered pocket? Please post a pic of that AND the made in tag if there's one.
 
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Catbird9 said:
I can't authenticate as the bag is outside my area of knowledge, but I notice the words stamped on the bottom of the bag are "GENUINE GLOVE TANNED LEATHER and I believe it should say "GENUINE GLOVETANNED PEBBLE LEATHER."

Please wait for other opinions on authenticity.
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Just checked all my Rogues and yes, that’s correct, it says “GENUINE GLOVETANNED PEBBLE LEATHER”. And glovetanned is all one word, no space between Glove and Tanned.
 
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AshleyMaree85 said:
I hope I'm doing this right! I haven't posted in the PF in a long time.

The item in question is a Coach Rogue 30 First Generation in Black #20315. I received this bag through FB purse trading groups. The lady I traded with is well known in the groups and I have known her for years myself with many many great trades together. Anyway, after I traded this bag to another girl, it's authenticity has been questioned. The bag feels, looks and even smells like very good quality Coach, so I never even considered it could be a fake! The owner before me said the same thing and insisted there's no way its fake. Anyway, after a ton of research I'm still uncertain about its authenticity so I was hoping you all may be able to help! Here is the bag in question with all the pics necessary to determine authenticity. Please let me know what you all think. Ty! ❤️ (sorry if the pics are out of order)
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I’m also not an authenticator, however, I have a lot of knowledge on rogues bags and their different generations. I believe this is unfortunately a fake.

As others have mentioned, the color of the hardware and outer suede side pockets are incorrect, and the wording on the bottom is incorrect. The type of zipper pulls on the outside are also not correct for a 1st gen. rogue. In addition, the hangtag, clochette, handles, and middle zippered area should all be pebble leather. It isn’t a 2nd or 3rd generation rogue either due to it having a lock and key.
 
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britmck said:
I’m also not an authenticator, however, I have a lot of knowledge on rogues bags and their different generations. I believe this is unfortunately a fake.

As others have mentioned, the color of the hardware and outer suede side pockets are incorrect, and the wording on the bottom is incorrect. The type of zipper pulls on the outside are also not correct for a 1st gen. rogue. In addition, the hangtag, clochette, handles, and middle zippered area should all be pebble leather. It isn’t a 2nd or 3rd generation rogue either due to it having a lock and key.
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I’m not an authenticator but own many rogues. I agree with all the things you pointed out I don’t ever remember seeing a rogue with shiny gunmetal hardware? I’ve only seen a few different varieties of black copper, brass, and pewter/nickel.

Something about the clochette looks odd. It looks like it doesn’t have enough thickness and the round point above the turn lock looks off. The handles also look wonky. The earlier versions do sometimes have a wider edge from the stitching to the edge paint but this looks like too much.
 
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Syren said:
I’m not an authenticator but own many rogues. I agree with all the things you pointed out I don’t ever remember seeing a rogue with shiny gunmetal hardware? I’ve only seen a few different varieties of black copper, brass, and pewter/nickel.

Something about the clochette looks odd. It looks like it doesn’t have enough thickness and the round point above the turn lock looks off. The handles also look wonky. The earlier versions do sometimes have a wider edge from the stitching to the edge paint but this looks like too much.
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Shiny Gunmetal hardware was used in some of the 1st generations. I know it was used in the chalk, cornflower, and the hay ostrich rogues. These are the only ones I remember.
 
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Is Coach messing with outlet creeds again? I’m currently locked out of FOS but I can browse new items and the Lillie Carryall doesn’t have an F in the style number. I just found one on Mercari and there is no F in the creed. I’m 99% sure this is a new made for outlet style. I haven’t been to my outlet in forever but maybe I need to go investigate. Other new items are also showing no F in their style number.

https://merc.li/uRA5C9ynb

From outlet website:
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CPSE said:
Hi authenticators! This one says in the description that there is no creed or serial number? My initial reaction is no way is that real (unless the seller just doesn’t know where to look) but I’m always hesitant because Coach is weird and I don’t know all the exceptions. Thanks!

Item: looks like a Winnie
Seller: sf10055
Link: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/274242746421
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Catbird9 said:
The seller probably doesn't know where to look.
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CPSE said:
Maybe... what she told me in her message back to me makes me think there really isn’t one but who can really know... without a pic. Thanks for your help!
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It doesn't seem likely that she could miss it. Can you ask her to take a picture of the inside pocket? Maybe some traces of a creed will show. It's definitely not from an era before creeds.
 
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AshleyMaree85 said:
I hope I'm doing this right! I haven't posted in the PF in a long time.

The item in question is a Coach Rogue 30 First Generation in Black #20315. I received this bag through FB purse trading groups. The lady I traded with is well known in the groups and I have known her for years myself with many many great trades together. Anyway, after I traded this bag to another girl, it's authenticity has been questioned. The bag feels, looks and even smells like very good quality Coach, so I never even considered it could be a fake! The owner before me said the same thing and insisted there's no way its fake. Anyway, after a ton of research I'm still uncertain about its authenticity so I was hoping you all may be able to help! Here is the bag in question with all the pics necessary to determine authenticity. Please let me know what you all think. Ty! ❤️ (sorry if the pics are out of order)
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Chihua5 said:
I’m not an authenticator so wait for that from the experts but I can say it’s not a first generation Rogue. The first generation Rogues came with a lock & key as well as different zipper pulls, pebbled leather handles and interior key snap strap.
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AshleyMaree85 said:
Oops! I must've forgotten the pic of the lock! It does have a lock although the key was missing when I received it. The original hangtag was missing as well.
I think you're right though about the pebbled leather handles etc... But the girl I got it from made a good point that the handles could've been replaced by the original owner although they did not disclose that to her if that were the case. ‍♀️
Honestly I'm leaning toward it being fake as well, but I'd like to be absolutely sure of course.
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Chihua5 said:
I hope I’m wrong but I believe the First generation Rogue’s locks did not have the horse and carriage stamp, it just had the Coach name. Also another thing is the first generation Rogue in black had gold hardware with black interior suede. Again, I’m NOT an authenticator, wait for their professional analysis. Now I’m really curious to see what the authenticators say about this bag.
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Catbird9 said:
I can't authenticate as the bag is outside my area of knowledge, but I notice the words stamped on the bottom of the bag are "GENUINE GLOVE TANNED LEATHER and I believe it should say "GENUINE GLOVETANNED PEBBLE LEATHER."

Please wait for other opinions on authenticity.
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houseof999 said:
Can you post a picture of the kisslock pocket? Also can you see if there's a little white tag with serial number inside the zippered pocket? Please post a pic of that AND the made in tag if there's one.
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Chihua5 said:
Just checked all my Rogues and yes, that’s correct, it says “GENUINE GLOVETANNED PEBBLE LEATHER”. And glovetanned is all one word, no space between Glove and Tanned.
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britmck said:
I’m also not an authenticator, however, I have a lot of knowledge on rogues bags and their different generations. I believe this is unfortunately a fake.

As others have mentioned, the color of the hardware and outer suede side pockets are incorrect, and the wording on the bottom is incorrect. The type of zipper pulls on the outside are also not correct for a 1st gen. rogue. In addition, the hangtag, clochette, handles, and middle zippered area should all be pebble leather. It isn’t a 2nd or 3rd generation rogue either due to it having a lock and key.
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I'll just add a couple of comments.
  • Facebook trading groups are only as safe as the integrity of their members and admin. I can't tell you how many fakes we've seen on private FB groups and those are only the ones that are posted here or elsewhere for authentication. Generally, these groups are private so we can't see them unless we're accepted into the group so it's a safe assumption that there are many more fakes being bought and sold than we'll ever know.
  • ALL Rogues originally had "RG-20315" as the (non)serial number on the creed. None of them are style 20315 and the white tag buried and well-hidden inside the bag. (Fake also have/had RG-20315 and fake white tags with fake production info.)
  • We need to see that white tag with the production information in order to authenticate the bag.
  • ETA: Rogues and other 1941 bags are SCARILY well-faked!
 
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