Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

I finally found a red Regina so I jumped on it. Can you guys take a look please.
Too good not to share! Just found this item on Mercari. Tap the link to sign up and get $10 off. https://merc.li/6VVpfRb
Seller: Bethany
Comment: seller inherited from her grandmother. Also this is the second Regina I am seeing with the wrong style number stamped in the same plant in the same year. The other one was just recently discussed that I thought was legit. They both have the bulls eye stamp. View attachment 4580994
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/223721167951
View attachment 4580995
Would you guys say it's probably ok and it was stamped 9985 by mistake in the same location?

Whateve has more experience with the genuine style than I do so I hope she can take a look at it. The creeds and serial numbers look right to me but she has real ones for comparison and I don't. Based only on the creeds and serials I would have said that they're genuine but comparing to a genuine bag is important. Here's the previous discussion:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2827#post-33406631
The only comp in my files is for a different month but has the correct style number. I didn't save photos of the rest of the bag:

 

[BeenBurned]

I finally found a red Regina so I jumped on it. Can you guys take a look please.
Too good not to share! Just found this item on Mercari. Tap the link to sign up and get $10 off. https://merc.li/6VVpfRb
Seller: Bethany
Comment: seller inherited from her grandmother. Also this is the second Regina I am seeing with the wrong style number stamped in the same plant in the same year. The other one was just recently discussed that I thought was legit. They both have the bulls eye stamp. View attachment 4580994
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/223721167951
View attachment 4580995
Would you guys say it's probably ok and it was stamped 9985 by mistake in the same location?

Whateve has more experience with the genuine style than I do so I hope she can take a look at it. The creeds and serial numbers look right to me but she has real ones for comparison and I don't. Based only on the creeds and serials I would have said that they're genuine but comparing to a genuine bag is important. Here's the previous discussion:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2827#post-33406631
The only comp in my files is for a different month but has the correct style number. I didn't save photos of the rest of the bag:
View attachment 4581031

Although I'm not a "Regina expert," I'm posting comps. I'm very curious about @whateve's opinion is.

Did you notice that the two bags with the incorrect style number also have hyphens between the prefix and the suffix?

 

[houseof999]

Although I'm not a "Regina expert," I'm posting comps. I'm very curious about @whateve's opinion is.

Did you notice that the two bags with the incorrect style number also have hyphens between the prefix and the suffix?
View attachment 4581063 View attachment 4581064

I just browsed about 50 sold Reginas on PM because sellers can't delete/remove sold listings. I found one that looks like the one @Hyacinth has on file. I only used pics from the plant C. The upper left corner is the one that matches @Hyacinth's Creed photo.

 

[Hyacinth]

Although I'm not a "Regina expert," I'm posting comps. I'm very curious about @whateve's opinion is.

Did you notice that the two bags with the incorrect style number also have hyphens between the prefix and the suffix?
View attachment 4581063 View attachment 4581064

That hyphen isn't something to be worried about from what I've seen. There are too many apparently genuine serial numbers in my files where sometimes the hyphen is missing but the bag is still genuine. That setting on the serial number stamp can be changed with the flick of a finger. It's like some older serials having overstamping marks and some don't, it seems to be largely dependent on the softness and thickness of the leather and how much pressure the operator applies. The small but permanent details of the stamping plate or mechanism or whatever makes the actual impression seems to be the most dependable and least changeable part of the process unless the actual stamp itself had been modified or repaired, which was probably more common than we realize. Not to mention the fact that those tiny details are the hardest things to fake accurately especially in a metal stamp that would have been made to order by a Chinese metalworker for a Chinese counterfeiter. Or so it seems to me.

That's just on the pre-China bags of course, the whole system apparently changed during and after the changeover.

 

[Hyacinth]

Although I'm not a "Regina expert," I'm posting comps. I'm very curious about @whateve's opinion is.

Did you notice that the two bags with the incorrect style number also have hyphens between the prefix and the suffix?
View attachment 4581063 View attachment 4581064

I just browsed about 50 sold Reginas on PM because sellers can't delete/remove sold listings. I found one that looks like the one @Hyacinth has on file. I only used pics from the plant C. The upper left corner is the one that matches @Hyacinth's Creed photo. View attachment 4581088

Missing hyphen from the C plant in a Worth Bag:


It happened with other early plants too, there are a lot of what look to me to be genuine D plant creeds from 1996 with missing hyphens, probably half of the apparently genuine 1996 D plant examples in my files.. The 1996 B plant seems to be the only exception during that time period. Maybe it just depended on the plant and how fussy their management was about hyphens? I don't even pay attention to that detail anymore

 

[BeenBurned]

Just a comment: I wasn't implying that the bags with the mistake were fake. I was merely pointing out the differences between them and the one comp that had (at that time) been posted. I hadn't dug deep enough to find as many examples as Houseof999 had that showed authentic bags both with and without hyphens.

I apologize if my post was misleading.

 

[Hyacinth]

Just a comment: I wasn't implying that the bags with the mistake were fake. I was merely pointing out the differences between them and the one comp that had (at that time) been posted. I hadn't dug deep enough to find as many examples as Houseof999 had that showed authentic bags both with and without hyphens.

I apologize if my post was misleading.

No problem, I wasn't aiming at you but I wanted to make sure anyone reading the posts didn't get confused and think that hyphens in that position were more important than they actually are. Some of those blasted authenticity "guides" claim that if serial and creed a aren't exactly the same as serial and creed b, then one of them is fake. I just wanted to make clear that with older details like that, there always were going to be variations.

 

[whateve]

I finally found a red Regina so I jumped on it. Can you guys take a look please.
Too good not to share! Just found this item on Mercari. Tap the link to sign up and get $10 off. https://merc.li/6VVpfRb
Seller: Bethany
Comment: seller inherited from her grandmother. Also this is the second Regina I am seeing with the wrong style number stamped in the same plant in the same year. The other one was just recently discussed that I thought was legit. They both have the bulls eye stamp. View attachment 4580994
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/223721167951
View attachment 4580995
Would you guys say it's probably ok and it was stamped 9985 by mistake in the same location?

If they were going to make a mistake like this, it makes sense there could be more than one with the same mistake. I think that fakes could end up in the outlet system if someone "returned" one, so the presence of the outlet stamp doesn't prove the bags are authentic. If I recall correctly, the mint Regina was missing the leather on the inside bottom. The red one doesn't have that defect. I don't see anything else wrong with the bag. I'll be curious to know what your impressions are once you have the bag in hand. Personally, I probably wouldn't take the chance because I wouldn't want to have to deal with doubters if I wanted to resell.

 

[houseof999]

Just a comment: I wasn't implying that the bags with the mistake were fake. I was merely pointing out the differences between them and the one comp that had (at that time) been posted. I hadn't dug deep enough to find as many examples as Houseof999 had that showed authentic bags both with and without hyphens.

I apologize if my post was misleading.

Just for clarification and for the sake of technicality, these serial number pics were from bags that sold but not necessarily verified authentic. Some of them may have but I haven't searched this thread to cross reference which were. I should have used verified authentic Creed photos for a more credible collage.

 

[VintageIsBest]

Good morning! Can you please authenticate this little gal. I’ve had her in my collection for a while and never had it authenticated. It was originally purchased from my local thrift store but I don’t remember which one or where...thanks so much!
Item: pocket drawstring
Seller: local thrift store
Measurements: base is about 7.5 inches wide by 4.5”—a little less than 4.5”. It’s appropriately 9.25” tall. Thanks again!

 

[Chihua5]

If they were going to make a mistake like this, it makes sense there could be more than one with the same mistake. I think that fakes could end up in the outlet system if someone "returned" one, so the presence of the outlet stamp doesn't prove the bags are authentic. If I recall correctly, the mint Regina was missing the leather on the inside bottom. The red one doesn't have that defect. I don't see anything else wrong with the bag. I'll be curious to know what your impressions are once you have the bag in hand. Personally, I probably wouldn't take the chance because I wouldn't want to have to deal with doubters if I wanted to resell.

For the mint one, that was one flag(besides the number) that alerted me but I took a closer look and saw that it was just the angle of the picture and how the seller was holding/pushing in the side of the bag (or at least that was what it looked like)

Don’t know if that makes a difference but thought I would point this out.

 

[qwertie]

Good morning experts

Could you please take a look at this one when you get a chance? Thanks a lot!

Item: pocket purse
Seller: riaraquel715
Link: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vintage-Coach-Red-Crossbody-Leather-Womens-Handbag-/173919959224

 

[houseof999]

For the mint one, that was one flag(besides the number) that alerted me but I took a closer look and saw that it was just the angle of the picture and how the seller was holding/pushing in the side of the bag (or at least that was what it looked like)

Don’t know if that makes a difference but thought I would point this out.

I think you're right. I think what we see is the suede back of the leather piece where the turnlock is attached to. That's not the inside bottom of the bag.

 

[qwertie]

Good morning!

A second item for today. When you get a chance could you please have a look?

Thanks!

Item: basic bag
Seller: popoko
Link: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vintage-Coa...ther-USA-Made-Glued-Serial-9455-/183995522994
Comment: in photo 6 there seems to be a black dot on the bag. But I think that might actually be a spot on the camera.. what do you think?

 

[Catbird9]

Good morning!

A second item for today. When you get a chance could you please have a look?

Thanks!

Item: basic bag
Seller: popoko
Link: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vintage-Coa...ther-USA-Made-Glued-Serial-9455-/183995522994
Comment: in photo 6 there seems to be a black dot on the bag. But I think that might actually be a spot on the camera.. what do you think?

The spot only appears in that one photo. I don't see it in any of the others, so I think it's not on the bag itself. I'd ask the seller about it to be sure.

By the way, it's not a Basic Bag 9455 with a glued serial number, as the seller indicates. It's style #9968 which I believe is a Mitchell Zip.