Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
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• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi I just bought this Essex briefcase but I now question it’s authenticity due the the number code. Could someone please tell me if it’s real or not. TIA

We need to see pictures of the bag as well. If it was listed online, we need the seller's name and a link to the listing.

What's wrong with the number code???

I was wondering about the

I was wondering about the G33 I hadn’t seen that before I wanted to make sure it was authentic.

Here is a photo of the outside I posted a photo with flash to Hyacinth. I hope this helps. I bought it at Goodwill (for $7!) so there was no listing.

The bag is authentic. Some of the foreign factories have number codes. In this case, "3" is a Chinese plant and the bag is from 2003.

 

[starletz]

The bag is authentic. Some of the foreign factories have number codes. In this case, "3" is a Chinese plant and the bag is from 2003.

Thank you!!!

 

[BeenBurned]

I’ve learned to put the photos into the body directly. I hope this is better. Once again, I’m sorry for the mixup earlier. I thought i would be fancy and give you some scrolling photos.

It was very cloudy and rainy but i was able to get some good photos. Here are 27 detailed photos. Please let me know if you need any more. thank you again for all your help! It’s very much appreciated.

I just want to make sure my photos are working for authentication above. I noticed requests posted after mine have been authenticated and I’m at work and I’m getting “X” for my photos but I don’t know if it’s because I’m at work (so it’s blocked?) or if it’s because I’m having issues with posting photos.

Im on my phone and the upload feature isn’t working as well. I will admit I’m a little spooked knowing the description is stolen and the style is being faked. Hindsight is 20/20 and i wish I had the brains to come here first before spending so much and what could be a fake.

Please, please, please don’t take this as me being impatient. Take all the time you need. I just want to make sure I’m being as helpful as possible on my end to make your side easier.

I know this is a very thankless task you do for all of us out of the goodness of your hearts. And I really do appreciate it and can’t thank you enough for it.

I apologize for the delay but I found today to be an emotionally upsetting and draining day and after watching and listening to hours of BS from a (ETA: male) pig, I procrastinated in answering.

I think your bag is okay but one post picture I'd like to see is of both sides of the price tag.

 

[fashionista1984]

I apologize for the delay but I found today to be an emotionally upsetting and draining day and after watching and listening to hours of BS from a (ETA: male) pig, I procrastinated in answering.

I think your bag is okay but one post picture I'd like to see is of both sides of the price tag.

Oh, tell me about it. I had to turn off and put on Golden Girls to get unwound! I totally understand. Thank you again. Here are the photos you requested as well.

 

[BeenBurned]

Oh, tell me about it. I had to turn off and put on Golden Girls to get unwound! I totally understand. Thank you again. Here are the photos you requested as well.

Thank you for the tag picture.

There are some things about the bag and the seller that concern me. There aren't a lot of bags in that style out there and not many sellers or websites have enough pictures to even authenticate. (And since the bag is well-faked, it's certainly in a seller's best interest to prove that her item is authentic, if indeed it is!)

I'd love for someone else to chime in if anyone else has this bag.

The more I dig, the more uncomfortable I am about the bag and the seller.

• BIG CONCERN: Your bag shows that it would have been made in June, 2018. And in June, 2018, cstu_us_9iuv6a2 listed 8 of the same bag, seling her first bag of this style on June 18.
• Just with limits that Coach imposes, I can't imagine they'd let her buy 8 identical boutique bags!
• Has anyone seen this style at the outlets?
• https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?LH_Complete=1&_ssn=cstu_us_9iuv6a2&_sop=14
• And that listing shows that she started with a quantity of 8 of them. So the outlet had 8 BRAND NEW boutique bags that they allowed one seller to buy?

• Puffy creed - Your bag shows 2018 whereas a comp is from 2017. Notice the difference in the puffiness of your creed. Since I can't find any other bags with a 2018 creed (or even a bag with a full creed picture - period - it's impossible to know whether the 2018 creed from plant 92 was made puffy whereas plant 57 was flatter.
• Your creed has 14 stitches down the sides (not counting the top and bottom ones) whereas the comp has either 12 or 13. But that could be due to the different factory; maybe someone knows whether all bags of a style have the same stitch count.

• Tag - your bag's tag appears to have the correct font and information and shows it as having come from the outlet. (The F in front of the style number is the indicator.) I've seen tags made at the factory store and sometimes they print in a different alignment than original tags.
  
• BUT I wonder why there's no outlet stamp on your bag since the tag indicates it would have been purchased there.
• The font and information on the tag look "correct" as compared to the authentic version. (For comparison, I'm also posting a comp of a fake tag so you can see the difference.)

My level of discomfort is such that while I can't say definitively that it's fake, I also see enough anomalies that I can't say it's authentic either. If I'd bought the bag, I'd return it. The questions make it way too an expensive item to make a mistake.

Other opinions are welcome.

 

[fashionista1984]

Thank you for the tag picture.

There are some things about the bag and the seller that concern me. There aren't a lot of bags in that style out there and not many sellers or websites have enough pictures to even authenticate. (And since the bag is well-faked, it's certainly in a seller's best interest to prove that her item is authentic, if indeed it is!)

I'd love for someone else to chime in if anyone else has this bag.

The more I dig, the more uncomfortable I am about the bag and the seller.

• BIG CONCERN: Your bag shows that it would have been made in June, 2018. And in June, 2018, cstu_us_9iuv6a2 listed 8 of the same bag, seling her first bag of this style on June 18.
• Just with limits that Coach imposes, I can't imagine they'd let her buy 8 identical boutique bags!
• Has anyone seen this style at the outlets?
• https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?LH_Complete=1&_ssn=cstu_us_9iuv6a2&_sop=14
• And that listing shows that she started with a quantity of 8 of them. So the outlet had 8 BRAND NEW boutique bags that they allowed one seller to buy?

• Puffy creed - Your bag shows 2018 whereas a comp is from 2017. Notice the difference in the puffiness of your creed. Since I can't find any other bags with a 2018 creed (or even a bag with a full creed picture - period - it's impossible to know whether the 2018 creed from plant 92 was made puffy whereas plant 57 was flatter.
• Your creed has 14 stitches down the sides (not counting the top and bottom ones) whereas the comp has either 12 or 13. But that could be due to the different factory; maybe someone knows whether all bags of a style have the same stitch count.

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• Tag - your bag's tag appears to have the correct font and information and shows it as having come from the outlet. (The F in front of the style number is the indicator.) I've seen tags made at the factory store and sometimes they print in a different alignment than original tags.
  
• BUT I wonder why there's no outlet stamp on your bag since the tag indicates it would have been purchased there.
• The font and information on the tag look "correct" as compared to the authentic version. (For comparison, I'm also posting a comp of a fake tag so you can see the difference.)

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My level of discomfort is such that while I can't say definitively that it's fake, I also see enough anomalies that I can't say it's authentic either. If I'd bought the bag, I'd return it. The questions make it way too an expensive item to make a mistake.

Other opinions are welcome.

Thank you. I’ve requested a return and refund. Hopefully eBay sides with me.

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm not sure if it's possible to authenticate this, but I've never heard of a "market sample" and wanted to get opinions. Not really looking to purchase - just more curious than anything. Personally, I think the bag itself seems Coach-like and the description of "closes without fasteners" makes me think of the Laurel that just came out, though this one would be a decade old if it WERE an actual sample at all based on the creed. But that seems a big if that someone would have an actual sample bag - or maybe I'm just not that worldly to have awareness of that.

seller: megomendy
https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-...r-NWOT-Black-Satchel-5bac223b3c984462b32d901c

I've never seen a tag like that but the style looks like this: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/does-anyone-know-any-info-about-this-new-madison-bag.408159/ Bonnie Lady Bag #13385. It might be okay but I don't have any comps. More opinions are welcome.

I can see that it resembles the style 13385 shown in the post Whateve posted the link to, but when I look at the creed of the supposed Market or Sample bag it keeps looking like style number 18385. The first and second half of the serial number have both 8s and 3s and the numbers in the 2 halves look different, the 3 in the first half of the serial has a top that looks slightly flattened. If it were fake, that would be easy to explain by the crooks copying the number from the actual bag incorrectly or the "plant" reading it wrong and making the second number in the style number an 8 instead of a 3. Of course a style number starting with -18*** wouldn't be valid for any bag made in 2008, that year the style numbers only went as far as the middle 13000s according to my records of the bags I've bought. So I don't know if I'm seeing what I would expect to see in a fake, or if they were using serial stamps with 2 different fonts in 2008. If that makes any sense.

There are differences in hardware, like the turnlock size, placement of the rivets on the straps, etc. Even if it's a genuine sample bag, it just can't be authenticated because the details don't match what little information we have about the actual production style. That's why we don't recommend ever buying a Coach item described as a sample unless you're willing to risk your money and understand that you can't resell it because it can't be authenticated.

 

[missbaltimore]

Hi there— I’m hoping you can authenticate this bag before I purchase. I believe it is an original Rambler.
Etsy seller MamasJunkbyLisa
Listing #646480109
(most recent) title “reserved-black leather Coach purse”
Thanks!

 

[Hyacinth]

Sorry. It was not my intention to disrespect the service you provide. I greatly appreciate the advice given. I recently had my eBay account restricted because I posted a Coach purse that was supposedly authenticated by the website I bought it from. eBay informed me my bag was a fake and that all bags must be authenticated before posting. My intention is to make sure the bags I sell are authentic. Do you have any guidance on obtaining authentication that would be verifiable to a platform like eBay? I greatly appreciate your experience and passion for what you do.

I was very late last night in seeing this discussion and spent considerable time (as had @Hyacinth) in trying to find another and was unsuccessful. That in and of itself is unusual, especially when the item is just 10 years old. And to not find another with the same font and format just adds to my questions.

Before commenting, I think I know what happened regarding the asterisks when @Walter Dunkerley mentioned having it authenticated. He's not the one who did that "redaction" but rather, it's the forum software that has prevented the company's name from being both advertised as well as possibly besmirched if a mistake is alleged.

With all that said, I can't authenticate that bag either. I've looked at dozens of pieces of luggage, duffels and bags, also finding several other fakes, some fairly good! But I was unable to find another with the same creed/font/style of the bag in question.

But the main thing that bothers me about this bag (in question) is that aside from the differences in the imprinted vs. gold creed text and in the serial font, there are differences in the text that are worthy of discussion.
1. The space between "leather" and "It's" is much smaller on the bag in question than on the other.
2. Space between "commitment" and "to" is smaller on the bag in question than on the other.
3. Every dot over the "i" is higher than it is on the comp.

First picture shows the comps, second picture depicts some of the differences I'm seeing.
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One final thing that bothers me before I declare this one Questionable but possibly genuine. The serial number fonts as shown in the comparison pictures BeenBurned posted in post 32052 have one strange quirk I've never seen before in a genuine bag, but that could just mean it's an oddball from a Chinese plant where they're not familiar yet with the Western alphabet. In the gold-stamped creed, notice how all the digits in the serial number are slightly slanted, but they're all on the SAME slant. In the questionable bag, some digits are slanted and some are vertical. If a plant was using a standard Coach stamping rig it seems to me, if they were including a special font like the slanted one used for those gold-stamped creeds, that all the digits, numbers, letters, and the "No" abbreviation, should have the same slant.

Except for that, the rest of the details seem ok. Usually the counterfitters get things like the strap fabric and hardware wrong, but this one seems ok. Another thing I checked for the years 2007 thru 2009 was the Wayback Machine where some of Coach's website pages are archived, and while there are some gaps in that time period for the pages showing Mens' Travel items, the other versions of that style, the suede and the megabuck Crocodile version, are at least shown on the main page for the cataegory. But there's no listing at all for a smooth leather version. Unfortunately the archives of that category have a gap starting right after the date indicated in the serial number codes of the bag in question, but there still should have been some record somewhere along the line. I'm going to look again after I have something to eat but it's probably an exercise in futility.
ETA - Here's what I mean by nothing on the Wayback - the page shows a pic of the suede version and placecards where there would have been pics of the Canvas and Croc versions, but no evidence of a regular leather version. But I'm still looking...
https://web.archive.org/web/2007101...com:80/content/thumbnail.aspx?category_id=541

Sorry we couldn't be more helpful.

ETA - Still nothing, sorry. As a last resort you could try calling Coach at the Customer Service number on their website and asking for the name and production dates of that style number (the second set of numbers in the serial number). The only other possibility is that it was made for a non-US market or even for the outlets althogh there's no outlet stamp on it. I don't know what else to suugest.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi there— I’m hoping you can authenticate this bag before I purchase. I believe it is an original Rambler.
Etsy seller MamasJunkbyLisa
Listing #646480109
(most recent) title “reserved-black leather Coach purse”
Thanks!

https://www.etsy.com/listing/646480...rse&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1

It's fine, from the mid-1980s

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi there— I’m hoping you can authenticate this bag before I purchase. I believe it is an original Rambler.
Etsy seller MamasJunkbyLisa
Listing #646480109
(most recent) title “reserved-black leather Coach purse”
Thanks!

Please post a link to the listing. Nothing is coming up with the item number.
https://www.etsy.com/search/?q=646480109&order=most_relevant&view_type=gallery

 

[Hyacinth]

Please post a link to the listing. Nothing is coming up with the item number.
https://www.etsy.com/search/?q=646480109&order=most_relevant&view_type=gallery

(COUGH!)

(points upward)

 

[skyygirrl]

Hello authenticates can I have this bag authenticated I’m currently at goodwill and I spotted this beauty thank you in advance.

 

[missbaltimore]

Hi— thank you Hyacith. Sorry I could not figure out how to post the link. I’m on my phone and every thing I tried defaulted to my Etsy app where I couldn’t get a header address and link. But thank you again!

 

[Hyacinth]

Hello authenticates can I have this bag authenticated I’m currently at goodwill and I spotted this beauty thank you in advance.
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Genuine, but I don't know the name.