Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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StrictTime said:
Item: Coach Rare Vintage Bonnie Cashin Sling Tote Body Bag 1960's remake
Seller: Chayli_0
Listing : 192520515707
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Rare...ing-Tote-Body-Bag-1960-s-Remake-/192520515707
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Hyacinth said:
Do NOT buy that bag from " Chayli_0 "

I'm concerned that the creed and serial number aren't readable and the bag can't be completely authenticated. If the seller can supply a readable photo of the stamping we can take another look.

The seller claims it's the year 2000 remake, but what little I can read of the serial number looks more like it has 5 digits in the first half (might be C12 73?) including a 2-digit plant code and 2-digit year code which would put it at around 2006 or later. The style number also looks like 5 digits that could be 99999, which in genuine Coaches would indicate a sample bag, but which has also often been found in fakes and which some fakes makers (and sellers) used precisely because it could never be verified or authenticated since there is no effective way to authenticate sample bags with generic style numbers. The 5 digit style number rather than 4-digit also tells me the bag was NOT made in 2000 (and the year 2000 remake wasn't called a Body Bag either!). The poor quality of the creed stamping is another potential problem.

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Since it can't be authenticated I do NOT recommend buying it since it's not what the seller claims it is either.

More opinions are welcome.
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BeenBurned said:
I don't know the bag in question but after looking at some of chayli_0 's other listings, particularly her Mickey Mouse Disney bag and seeing problems with it, I'm with @Hyacinth and recommending against buying that bag and against buying from that seller.

None of her listings have pictures that are detailed enough, well focused enough nor have enough of the pictures necessary to prove authenticity, I'm suspicious that creeds are blurry for a reason and that she may be hiding something.

If this seller wanted to take good pictures, she can do it because some pictures are good enough quality to see details.
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And this listing from the same seller from 2 months ago raises MORE red flags for me:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Bonn...vip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720

And the creed from that bag:
chayli_0 fake(?) coach 99999 Cashin sling blue.png chayli_0 fake(?) coach 99999 Cashin sling blue 2.png
 
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BeenBurned said:
And this listing from the same seller from 2 months ago raises MORE red flags for me:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Bonn...vip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720

And the creed from that bag:
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EXCELLENT detective work, BB !!! EXACTLY the same fake creed and serial number too.

That's more than just a red flag, that's a whole field full of tornado warning sirens all going off at the same time. DAMN, that is one butt-ugly fake! You could almost believe the first one, but this one has to be one of the tackiest recent fakes I've seen. I think it's safe to report both of them together.

I'll add a pic of the outside in case the listing disappears:
99999_FAKE sample_ chayli_0_ptchwk-C1273-99999-a.jpg

Do NOT buy ANYTHING from seller " Chayli_0 "

And 2 more pics, a comp of the fake -99999 "sample" and a genuine bag style 19999 from the same plant, month and year. The creed formatting isn't even the same.

99999_FAKE sample_ chayli_0_ptchwk-C1273-99999-creed.jpg 2012_73-plant_C1273-a.jpg
 
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Hyacinth said:
No. No single detail INCLUDING tags and creed patches can ever prove a Coach item is authentic. The only proof is that every detail of the item is exactly correct for the style, plant location, and month and year of manufacture as indicated by the serial number. Any "guide" that says otherwise is wrong.
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Yes, thank you! I should have clarified that I have learned through this forum that simply having a creed patch and/or a tag is no guarantee the purse is authentic, which is why this forum is such a great resource and very much appreciated!
 
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BeenBurned said:
Did you happen to refer the seller, SmokeyPearlVintage here? If she's aware that the bag is considered to be an obvious fake and has refused to issue a refund without a fight, she's not a very good seller!

I've used Authenticate4U for other brands (not Coach) and for $7.50, I've received a PDF copy of a simple authentication. I think that would be enough proof for you to prove your case to Etsy. (Other companies often charge more for PDFs and their basic authentications are emails, not usually accepted in disputes.)

Personally, I like A4U because they use brand specialists. Unlike Carol Diva who claims to do all brands but does them herself and often errs, I like a company whose authenticators know the brand they do rather than a "jack of all trades, master of none" one.

If etsy seller SmokeyPearlVintage isn't willing to pay for the authentication for the FAKE BAG she sold, I don't recommend that seller!

I don't blame you for being upset! Had the seller done the right thing (as required by law) and verified authenticity before listing that bag, you wouldn't be in the position you are now finding yourself.
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BeenBurned-
I just wanted to offer a belated but sincere thanks for all your help on the fake Coach Ergo purple bag I posted here. I was finally able to get Etsy to require a full refund from the seller.

I learned so much by reading the posts here. I'll know to run any bag I'm thinking of purchasing online through the authentication thread first. And, using what I have learned from the collective wisdom on this thread, I was able to make a decision NOT to buy a supposed Coach bag I recently saw in a thrift store (they had it in the case, but I was able to get it out and examine it and- too many concerns/red flags to risk it at the price). I'm far, far from ever being an expert, but I'm better informed than before and I really appreciate that. Thanks once more for your time and dedication to the subject!
 
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seide said:
BeenBurned-
I just wanted to offer a belated but sincere thanks for all your help on the fake Coach Ergo purple bag I posted here. I was finally able to get Etsy to require a full refund from the seller.

I learned so much by reading the posts here. I'll know to run any bag I'm thinking of purchasing online through the authentication thread first. And, using what I have learned from the collective wisdom on this thread, I was able to make a decision NOT to buy a supposed Coach bag I recently saw in a thrift store (they had it in the case, but I was able to get it out and examine it and- too many concerns/red flags to risk it at the price). I'm far, far from ever being an expert, but I'm better informed than before and I really appreciate that. Thanks once more for your time and dedication to the subject!
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You're welcome! Thank you for the update.
 
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