Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

Am I allowed to ask for authentication on my own sold listing? Buyer is stating there are no markings to authenticate.
ETA: seller: couturexec

Yes, we're happy to help as long as you don't post a direct link to your auctions. You can post photos and listing names or numbers but no links. Since the listing for item number 232839047901 is already complete, the link isn't a major problem (and the link you posted goes to one of those stupid Ebay "The listing you’re looking for is no longer available" redirect links), just keep it in mind for the future. It looks perfectly genuine to me and it's not the kind of thing that would have been counterfeited back then.

The jewelry box is genuine, but it would have been best to explain in the listing that there's no Coach identification anywhere on the item. It looks like it's from around 2003-04 when those appliqued flower designs were one of Coach's popular designs.

ETA - BINGO !!!

From the WaybackMachine, November 2003, click on the thumbnail below or this link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031119...op/thumbnail.asp?category_id=168&showall=true

And here's the link to the actual website page for the #4048 Small Jewelry Box from February 2004 although as often happens the item photo got lost over the years:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040203...w_bc=&base_index=0&sort_by_price=&easyask_id=



It's genuine.

 

[whateve]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/232839047901
Am I allowed to ask for authentication on my own sold listing? Buyer is stating there are no markings to authenticate.
ETA: seller: couturexec

Yes, we're happy to help as long as you don't post a direct link to your auctions. You can post photos and listing names or numbers but no links. Since the listing for item number 232839047901 is already complete, the link isn't a major problem (and the link you posted goes to one of those stupid Ebay "The listing you’re looking for is no longer available" links), just keep it in mind for the future. It looks perfectly genuine to me and it's not the kind of thing that would have been counterfeited back then.

The jewelry box is genuine, but it would have been best to explain in the listing that there's no Coach identification anywhere on the item. It looks like it's from around 2003-04 when those appliqued flower designs were one of Coach's popular designs.

ETA - BINGO !!!

From the WaybackMachine, November 2003, click on the thumbnail. And here's the link to the actual website page for the #4048 Small Jewelry Box although as often happens the item photo got lost over the years:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040203...w_bc=&base_index=0&sort_by_price=&easyask_id=

View attachment 4144177

Actually, there are Coach markings on the snap and snaphead.

 

[MrDelicious]

Hi everyone! Planning to buy a coach bag from one of the online seller in the Philippines as a birthday gift to myself this last day on the month.

I just want to make sure if it is authentic or not. I ask her to send some photos for authenticity checking. Hope you guys can help me.

Looking forward for a reply.

Seller: Shopparel Ph

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi everyone! Planning to buy a coach bag from one of the online seller in the Philippines as a birthday gift to myself this last day on the month.

I just want to make sure if it is authentic or not. I ask her to send some photos for authenticity checking. Hope you guys can help me.

Looking forward for a reply.

Seller: Shopparel Ph

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I've commented many times over the years about sellers in the Philippines and how close the fakes are. Most recently, I posted yesterday:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-2045#post-32453325

If you do a search of the forum for posts with "Philippines" by BeenBurned, you'll find many posts, some showing how scary the fakes are. .

 

[Hyacinth]

Actually, there are Coach markings on the snap and snaphead.

Good catch, I missed that. Thanks!

 

[Couturexec]

Yes, we're happy to help as long as you don't post a direct link to your auctions. You can post photos and listing names or numbers but no links. Since the listing for item number 232839047901 is already complete, the link isn't a major problem (and the link you posted goes to one of those stupid Ebay "The listing you’re looking for is no longer available" redirect links), just keep it in mind for the future. It looks perfectly genuine to me and it's not the kind of thing that would have been counterfeited back then.

The jewelry box is genuine, but it would have been best to explain in the listing that there's no Coach identification anywhere on the item. It looks like it's from around 2003-04 when those appliqued flower designs were one of Coach's popular designs.

ETA - BINGO !!!

From the WaybackMachine, November 2003, click on the thumbnail below or this link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031119...op/thumbnail.asp?category_id=168&showall=true

And here's the link to the actual website page for the #4048 Small Jewelry Box from February 2004 although as often happens the item photo got lost over the years:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040203...w_bc=&base_index=0&sort_by_price=&easyask_id=

View attachment 4144177

It's genuine.

Actually, there are Coach markings on the snap and snaphead.

Thank you Hyacinth and whateve for your time and expertise!

 

[Couturexec]

Good catch, I missed that. Thanks!

That was my first response to her.
This is the worst sale ever.

 

[britmck]

Hello Authenticators! If any of you can help me authenticate a bag and wallet I recently purchased, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Item: Coach 1941 Space Rogue with patches and matching wallet
Listing number: 263810230995
Link: eBay listing
Comments: I saw an authentication request from another user with the same bag last month but couldn't find a response as to whether it was authentic or not. I recently purchased this bag with the matching wallet on eBay and now have it in my possession. I don't see any red flags but want additional opinions. The listing has some photos, but I've included more detailed photos that I took. One of the middle zipper pull's hardware is broken on the rogue. I plan to get it repaired if I indeed have an authentic bag.

Space Rogue Patches:

Space Wallet Patches:

 

[LaVisioneer]

Actually, there are Coach markings on the snap and snaphead.

Are the engraved snaps indicative of an authentic product or the opposite (or perhaps there is no rule?). I read somewhere authentic Coach hardware doesn't say Coach but many of my nickel hardware has engravings.

I'm not sure if this helps but I have two wristlets with similar markings purchased directly from the outlets in New England. Here are photos for comparison:

A magnetic snap:


Front of that wristlet for reference:


Other wristlet with engraved button:

 

[houseof999]

Hello Authenticators! If any of you can help me authenticate a bag and wallet I recently purchased, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Item: Coach 1941 Space Rogue with patches and matching wallet
Listing number: 263810230995
Link: eBay listing
Comments: I saw an authentication request from another user with the same bag last month but couldn't find a response as to whether it was authentic or not. I recently purchased this bag with the matching wallet on eBay and now have it in my possession. I don't see any red flags but want additional opinions. The listing has some photos, but I've included more detailed photos that I took. One of the middle zipper pull's hardware is broken on the rogue. I plan to get it repaired if I indeed have an authentic bag.

Space Rogue Patches:

Space Wallet Patches:

I think the bag is fine. I don't see any red flags either. Other opinions are welcome. I'm not too familiar with the wallet.

 

[Hyacinth]

Are the engraved snaps indicative of an authentic product or the opposite (or perhaps there is no rule?). I read somewhere authentic Coach hardware doesn't say Coach but many of my nickel hardware has engravings.

I'm not sure if this helps but I have two wristlets with similar markings purchased directly from the outlets in New England. Here are photos for comparison:

A magnetic snap:
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Front of that wristlet for reference:
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Other wristlet with engraved button:
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There are absolutely NO rules about stamped or engraved hardware. It depends on the item and the age. In general the older a bag or other Coach item is, the less branding it should have. Vintage Coaches usually had NO Coach stamps on any of the hardware, and there are a few kinds of hardware that at least up to very recently AFAIK Coach NEVER put their names on. There are other items that only came from one source and should have only stamps from that source. There are hardware items that were stamped for one style and not for another, or for one year's production and not for another's. And no, I'm not going to go into detail, counterfeiters read these forums too.

One of the red flags we look for when ID'ing or reporting fakes is too many Coach stamps. The more the maker seems to be trying to convince you that something's a Coach by stamping the name all over the item and especially the hardware, the less likely it is to be genuine. Don't EVER judge authenticity by how many stamps are on the hardware. Only the experts can judge if the stamping of any item is correct FOR THAT ITEM OR STYLE NUMBER.

And even if the stamping of a piece of hardware is "correct", WHY wouldn't the counterfeiters be able to buy or make copies with the same stamps? I'll never understand why all those "experts" can't figure out that hardware (and receipts and zippers and care cards and hangtags etc etc) can be copied and faked just like anything else. Seriously, how much trouble do you think all those Chinese counterfeiters actually have finding metalworking companies who are more than happy to make several thousands (or tens of thousands) silver or antique brass-look buckles or O-rings with the name "Coach" stamped on them? ANYTHING A MAKER CAN MAKE, A FAKER CAN FAKE.

There is no single detail like stamping or zippers or how many digits are in a serial number that can ever prove a Coach item is genuine. Any "guide" that claims otherwise is full of BS. Don't EVER believe any "authentication rules" you read on the internet. The exceptions of course are the Salearea Guides and those are based on confirmed verified facts, not Copied and Pasted from some anonymous guide some other idiot "wrote" or copied. And yes, I'm prejudiced, and with damned good reason. The page or site where you "read somewhere authentic Coach hardware doesn't say Coach" is a perfect example of the kind of bull shyte that's out there and why NONE of it should ever be believed unless verified by living breathing experts.

 

[Couturexec]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/302802925441
Seller:blink2222

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/272566713598
Seller: deals4mme

Can anyone briefly explain the difference between these two bags? One has a creed and one does not. Is one made for the Outlet and one for the Boutique?

 

[LaVisioneer]

There are absolutely NO rules about stamped or engraved hardware. It depends on the item and the age. In general the older a bag or other Coach item is, the less branding it should have. Vintage Coaches usually had NO Coach stamps on any of the hardware, and there are a few kinds of hardware that at least up to very recently AFAIK Coach NEVER put their names on. There are other items that only came from one source and should have only stamps from that source. There are hardware items that were stamped for one style and not for another, or for one year's production and not for another's. And no, I'm not going to go into detail, counterfeiters read these forums too.

One of the red flags we look for when ID'ing or reporting fakes is too many Coach stamps. The more the maker seems to be trying to convince you that something's a Coach by stamping the name all over the item and especially the hardware, the less likely it is to be genuine. Don't EVER judge authenticity by how many stamps are on the hardware. Only the experts can judge if the stamping of any item is correct FOR THAT ITEM OR STYLE NUMBER.

And even if the stamping of a piece of hardware is "correct", WHY wouldn't the counterfeiters be able to buy or make copies with the same stamps? I'll never understand why all those "experts" can't figure out that hardware (and receipts and zippers and care cards and hangtags etc etc) can be copied and faked just like anything else. Seriously, how much trouble do you think all those Chinese counterfeiters actually have finding metalworking companies who are more than happy to make several thousands (or tens of thousands) silver or antique brass-look buckles or O-rings with the name "Coach" stamped on them? ANYTHING A MAKER CAN MAKE, A FAKER CAN FAKE.

There is no single detail like stamping or zippers or how many digits are in a serial number that can ever prove a Coach item is genuine. Any "guide" that claims otherwise is full of BS. Don't EVER believe any "authentication rules" you read on the internet. The exceptions of course are the Salearea Guides and those are based on confirmed verified facts, not Copied and Pasted from some anonymous guide some other idiot "wrote" or copied. And yes, I'm prejudiced, and with damned good reason. The page or site where you "read somewhere authentic Coach hardware doesn't say Coach" is a perfect example of the kind of bull shyte that's out there and why NONE of it should ever be believed unless verified by living breathing experts.

I never even thought about counterfeiters reading this; good point!

In honor of Taylor Swift being spotted carrying Coach various times:
Anything a maker can make make make make make
A faker can fake fake fake fake fake

 

[whateve]

Can anyone briefly explain the difference between these two bags? One has a creed and one does not. Is one made for the Outlet and one for the Boutique?

The difference is when they were made. They both have creeds. One has a number on the creed and the other has the number on a label in a pocket. The one with the number on the creed was made earlier. Then Coach decided it would be easier or cheaper not to put numbers on creeds. They are back putting numbers on creeds, but for a few years, most bags will have the numbers on a label in the pocket. Coincidentally, the one with the number on the label was probably made for outlet as there is an E after the style number. I'm not positive as to what the E means, but I've seen bags with E creeds at the outlet.

 

[SMURTY]

Hai, pls someone help me to autenticate this bag. Thanks in advance.

I'm sorry for reposting because i havent got the reply.
I'll appreciate the feedback. Thank you