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  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
Thank you and be safe!
 
I've never seen these wallets but that doesn't mean much!

Ebay seller - skydiversandy (249) (There are other similar listings also.)
Items ship from India.

Opinions please - and please note from the description:
"This is sourced as factory seconds / export surplus piece, rejected @ the source due to very minor manufacturing irregularities."

Ebay:
COACH MEN'S WATER BUFFALO LEATHER BILFOLD COIN WALLET Mahogany
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-MENS...220740?hash=item3d559ae984:g:l98AAOSwqvNaVhcd
Item 263429220740

Bonanza seller skydiversandy AKA Deals&Offers
https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Co...eather-Bilfold-Coin-Wallet-Mahogany/547120036

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_od...10.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcoach.TRS2&_nkw=coach&_sacat=0

https://www.bonanza.com/booths/skydiversandy

 
Item: Coach NYC skyline keychain charm
Listing number: 332528184305
Seller: debkitty10
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-NEW-YORK-CITY-SKYLINE-KECHAIN-CHARM/332528184305?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Comments: I made an impulse purchase w/o coming here first to check authenticity :/ It looks like this is 2 charms in one w/the 2nd missing the keyring. Can you please let me know if this is authentic and possibly the name of the charm with the taxi? Thank you!

The metal one is a Made-For-Factory F69936 New York NYC Multi Mix Keychain, it seems genuine except for the missing keyring. Coach did a similar one a few years earlier but it was from the Poppy line and had a heart charm that said "Poppy NYC" instead of a solid color heart charm.
 
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I've never seen these wallets but that doesn't mean much!

Ebay seller - skydiversandy (249) (There are other similar listings also.)
Items ship from India.

Opinions please - and please note from the description:
"This is sourced as factory seconds / export surplus piece, rejected @ the source due to very minor manufacturing irregularities."

Ebay:
COACH MEN'S WATER BUFFALO LEATHER BILFOLD COIN WALLET Mahogany
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-MENS...220740?hash=item3d559ae984:g:l98AAOSwqvNaVhcd
Item 263429220740

Bonanza seller skydiversandy AKA Deals&Offers
https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Co...eather-Bilfold-Coin-Wallet-Mahogany/547120036

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&epid=1807949934&_ssn=skydiversandy&hash=item3d54b189b1:g:ahcAAOSwp7taVfWy&item=263413926321&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcoach.TRS2&_nkw=coach&_sacat=0

https://www.bonanza.com/booths/skydiversandy

I haven't seen them either, and the seller's explanation is strange. Why not just send "minor defects" items to one of the SE Asia outlets? And how many times do you see wallets with creed patches? And a recent wallet would never have a 4-digit style number, the change to 5 digits was made in 2006. Style 4660 isn't in any of my catalogs but assuming Coach held to their usual number sequencing, which they often didn't do, that style number would have been from around 1985-86.

But since I hardly ever buy or even look at Mens wallets I'm not the best judge of them. Please don't report them based only on my comments.
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Vinta...-Mini-Tote-Leather-Bag-Lunch/263409159413?has

Seller:chris638brad.

Hi everyone. I've been eyeing this up for quite some time. Thank you in advance.
Please wait for an official confirm from one of the certified authenticators on this thread, but insofar as pre-creed is an area in which I do have some expertise, I'll offer the following amateur assessment:

The listing appears to show an early version of the Dinky Shopping Bag Tote from the early-to-mid 1960s. I'm basing its age from an unofficial chronology of labeling practices I've hypothesized over the years where the white fabric "Cashin-Carry for COACH" tags were employed in the period prior to the introduction of the "Bonnie Cashin" black metal tags + red fabric "COACH Leatherware A BONNIE CASHIN DESIGN" tags, which in turn were replaced by the "COACH" black (or on rare occasions, pewter) metal tags (+ "COACH" cartouche hang tags found on all bags after 1970 or so), followed by the "COACH" cartouche imprint (or riveted leather "COACH" tags on those styles that couldn't easily accommodate the imprint), followed by the creed stamp (sans numbers), and so on). Again, this timeline is something that I've come up with and certainly could and should be up for debate. Also, I've intentionally left off assigning specific years since doing so without sales receipts to support them would be purely speculative on my part.

The bag shown in the photos compares well to the ones I have of this particular raw-edged rendition of the Dinky Shopping Bag Tote with contrasting thread with the exception of the fabric on the interior bottom panel. In all of mine, which for transparency I'll disclose are actually later (mid 1960s) versions identified with the BC metal tag + red fabric tag and have an interior canvas fabric pocket secured by a leather flap and turnlock that were added to the style) the fabric is the earlier signature "Mexican" stripe (without the black separating thread introduced later). And though BC did employ plaid fabrics, as well as alternate stripe patterns in the earliest bags, in all my years of looking I've never run into a black-and-white checkered pattern before. I will though applaud whoever restored the edge-paint to the raw side and handle tab edges. Having to do so is typical, time consuming, and a challenge to do well.

If I could be excused for doing so, I'd offer the following suggestions/theories about the bottom panel:

I've some Cashin-Carry for COACH shopping bags from the same white-fabric tag era as the one shown in the listing, albeit the ones I have are of different sizes: the Shopping Bag Tote (same footprint as the Dinky, but taller), and the Large Shopping Bag Tote (which is the same height and a few inches wider than the aforementioned size and has finished edges on the sides). Neither of these larger styles show any evidence of ever having fabric-faced bottom stiffeners, but instead have rectangular leather pieces that have bonded to the inside bottom and cover the bent over tabs from the four metal feet. I'll volunteer that these bags would certainly have benefited from having a bottom stiffener since they tend to be floppy without one. In fact, I've made removable ones (using hobby board and some Mexican stripe fabric I happen to have had on hand) to help them hold their shape. Perhaps a previous owner of the bag in the listing came to a similar conclusion, but did not have any fabric similar to the varieties used by BC during that period.

My second suspicion is that perhaps somewhere along the way the original fabric-faced cardboard panel that was adhesively attached to the bottom (if indeed like in the versions I have, there was one) has been replaced. These panels do have a propensity for coming loose over time. I'll also share with you that over the years I've had to replace several bottom panels on bags where a prior owner bathed the bag, not realizing that there was a cardboard element whose integrity would be compromised by getting soaked as well as waters detrimental effect on the adhesive(s) used to bond the fabric to the cardboard and the cardboard to the leather. As for where the original fabric may have gone, I'll only add that I've seen more than a handful of bags from this period come to market missing the fabric from the cardboard stiffeners, which is why I continue to keep an eye out for totally trashed bags from this era so that I can perhaps salvage the fabric (and other components) for future repair efforts.

I'd say that was at least three cents worth. I trust that no one will be offended by my attempt to provide input.
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Vinta...-Mini-Tote-Leather-Bag-Lunch/263409159413?has
Seller:chris638brad.
Hi everyone. I've been eyeing this up for quite some time. Thank you in advance.
And though BC did employ plaid fabrics, as well as alternate stripe patterns in the earliest bags, in all my years of looking I've never run into a black-and-white checkered pattern before.

I did a little searching and having stumbled upon this past listing will offer a correction regarding having never before seen the black-and-white checker pattern fabric on a Cashin-Carry for COACH bag...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BONNIE-CAS...-IVORY-SLING-BAG-TOTE-KISS-LOCK-/263392934844
 
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I did a little searching and having stumbled upon this past listing will offer a correction regarding having never before seen the black-and-white checker pattern fabric on a Cashin-Carry for COACH bag...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BONNIE-CAS...-IVORY-SLING-BAG-TOTE-KISS-LOCK-/263392934844

Thanks, RL Bernstein! Your experience and research are so valuable to these forums, especially where these very early undocumented styles are concerned. Please don't EVER apologise for posting your opinions! That's close enough for me. :smile:
 
Please wait for an official confirm from one of the certified authenticators on this thread, but insofar as pre-creed is an area in which I do have some expertise, I'll offer the following amateur assessment:

The listing appears to show an early version of the Dinky Shopping Bag Tote from the early-to-mid 1960s. I'm basing its age from an unofficial chronology of labeling practices I've hypothesized over the years where the white fabric "Cashin-Carry for COACH" tags were employed in the period prior to the introduction of the "Bonnie Cashin" black metal tags + red fabric "COACH Leatherware A BONNIE CASHIN DESIGN" tags, which in turn were replaced by the "COACH" black (or on rare occasions, pewter) metal tags (+ "COACH" cartouche hang tags found on all bags after 1970 or so), followed by the "COACH" cartouche imprint (or riveted leather "COACH" tags on those styles that couldn't easily accommodate the imprint), followed by the creed stamp (sans numbers), and so on). Again, this timeline is something that I've come up with and certainly could and should be up for debate. Also, I've intentionally left off assigning specific years since doing so without sales receipts to support them would be purely speculative on my part.

The bag shown in the photos compares well to the ones I have of this particular raw-edged rendition of the Dinky Shopping Bag Tote with contrasting thread with the exception of the fabric on the interior bottom panel. In all of mine, which for transparency I'll disclose are actually later (mid 1960s) versions identified with the BC metal tag + red fabric tag and have an interior canvas fabric pocket secured by a leather flap and turnlock that were added to the style) the fabric is the earlier signature "Mexican" stripe (without the black separating thread introduced later). And though BC did employ plaid fabrics, as well as alternate stripe patterns in the earliest bags, in all my years of looking I've never run into a black-and-white checkered pattern before. I will though applaud whoever restored the edge-paint to the raw side and handle tab edges. Having to do so is typical, time consuming, and a challenge to do well.

If I could be excused for doing so, I'd offer the following suggestions/theories about the bottom panel:

I've some Cashin-Carry for COACH shopping bags from the same white-fabric tag era as the one shown in the listing, albeit the ones I have are of different sizes: the Shopping Bag Tote (same footprint as the Dinky, but taller), and the Large Shopping Bag Tote (which is the same height and a few inches wider than the aforementioned size and has finished edges on the sides). Neither of these larger styles show any evidence of ever having fabric-faced bottom stiffeners, but instead have rectangular leather pieces that have bonded to the inside bottom and cover the bent over tabs from the four metal feet. I'll volunteer that these bags would certainly have benefited from having a bottom stiffener since they tend to be floppy without one. In fact, I've made removable ones (using hobby board and some Mexican stripe fabric I happen to have had on hand) to help them hold their shape. Perhaps a previous owner of the bag in the listing came to a similar conclusion, but did not have any fabric similar to the varieties used by BC during that period.

My second suspicion is that perhaps somewhere along the way the original fabric-faced cardboard panel that was adhesively attached to the bottom (if indeed like in the versions I have, there was one) has been replaced. These panels do have a propensity for coming loose over time. I'll also share with you that over the years I've had to replace several bottom panels on bags where a prior owner bathed the bag, not realizing that there was a cardboard element whose integrity would be compromised by getting soaked as well as waters detrimental effect on the adhesive(s) used to bond the fabric to the cardboard and the cardboard to the leather. As for where the original fabric may have gone, I'll only add that I've seen more than a handful of bags from this period come to market missing the fabric from the cardboard stiffeners, which is why I continue to keep an eye out for totally trashed bags from this era so that I can perhaps salvage the fabric (and other components) for future repair efforts.

I'd say that was at least three cents worth. I trust that no one will be offended by my attempt to provide input.


What an incredible, through response! I'm absolutely blown away with your knowledge on this subject. Thank you plenty.
 
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I haven't seen them either, and the seller's explanation is strange. Why not just send "minor defects" items to one of the SE Asia outlets? And how many times do you see wallets with creed patches? And a recent wallet would never have a 4-digit style number, the change to 5 digits was made in 2006. Style 4660 isn't in any of my catalogs but assuming Coach held to their usual number sequencing, which they often didn't do, that style number would have been from around 1985-86.

But since I hardly ever buy or even look at Mens wallets I'm not the best judge of them. Please don't report them based only on my comments.
No, I have not nor will not report them but it's quite strange.

I did find some listings on Amazon for 4660 but although the style appears to be similar (if not the same), they didn't have creeds and the Coach imprints are different. (But being on Amazon doesn't mean it's authentic either so that can't be assumed.)
https://www.amazon.com/coach-buffalo-leather-wallet-pocket/dp/b003f3bu80?tag=indifash06-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001O2HYIO


I have items in my records of 466X styles of water buffalo card cases and wallets from the outlet, purchased in 2008-09. BTW, these were MFF items and always included tags unless a tag was misplaced. Regarding the seller's items in question, none of the listings include any documentation.

4665 - card case with money clip:
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4664 - Slim card case (similar to above but with slots on both sides and without money clip):

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No, I have not nor will not report them but it's quite strange.

I did find some listings on Amazon for 4660 but although the style appears to be similar (if not the same), they didn't have creeds and the Coach imprints are different. (But being on Amazon doesn't mean it's authentic either so that can't be assumed.)
https://www.amazon.com/coach-buffalo-leather-wallet-pocket/dp/b003f3bu80?tag=indifash06-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001O2HYIO


I have items in my records of 466X styles of water buffalo card cases and wallets from the outlet, purchased in 2008-09. BTW, these were MFF items and always included tags unless a tag was misplaced. Regarding the seller's items in question, none of the listings include any documentation.

4665 - card case with money clip:
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4664 - Slim card case (similar to above but with slots on both sides and without money clip):

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There may have been a bunch of unused 4-number style numbers in that 46xx range that Coach decided to use around 10 years ago for the glut of wallets that the outlets get flooded with before every major holiday. But the one with the stamped creed just sets off all kinds of alarms.
 
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View attachment 3943406 View attachment 3943407 View attachment 3943408 View attachment 3943409 I purchased a few Coach purses in the glass case at Goodwill. All have the stamped creed but this one. And it has a tag still on it as well as the fob and care instructions. I need help with authenticating. Can anyone help?

Please post a photo of the creed patch, the 2 small fabric tags inside the bag showing the country of manufacture and the one probably buried all the way in the bottom of the inside zipper pocket showing the production codes. And please include a photo of the INSIDE of the paper price tag with the codes and style number. Post number One in this thread lists most of the details that we need.
 
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