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oh wow. quick response. you certainly seem to eagle-eye this forum.

I was actually searching for the name of a REAL patient who was going to go to my surgeon for a consult when... (not) surprisingly, you've already responded to my post!

Anyway, not to berate this topic but if you are so happy and pleased with your results then why don't you want others to see? Why wouldn't you want to show it off?

You can certainly just zoom in on your nose (as this is the part most people on this thread is interested in as it is under title of "asian rhinoplasty"). What is so "private" about this? Some others have posted shots like this and there is NO way to discern who that person is.

And if I recall correctly, you said you were going to send your pics after your road trip to "drive across the country"... no pics, no proof.

And yeah, pics prove a LOT. So, if you are a fake, then send your fake pics... it will just make it that much harder for you to do. And if you are not a fake, then prove it and I will owe you an apology.

Otherwise, good luck with the rest of your time making "convincing" posts on this forum!

I'm out...
 
Jez, I think you're results are fantastic. I'm impressed with your surgeon's technique, is it silicone or goretex? Your pics look very good.

Thanks, My nose however I wouldn't mind sharper I could hae had silicone but didnt want to keep going back for retouches after a few years. Its gortex which they used and ear cartilege for the tip. I did spend alot of time discussing what we considered is good looking for a guy and I think thats important you have that type of discussions with your surgeon because each have their own ideals on what perfect beauty and symmetry is.

Here is my most recent pic.

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I'm a bit drunk there just came back from the club ^_^

I would still say frontwise I'm not happy with my profile but side and other angles it looks great. I think to achieve a very nice front its hard with my type of face because its too round but what I've been doing is reducing my body fat and I think my more recent pics you can see my face is gradually thinner so we see if it makes an improvement on the front angles.


if thats the case then what happened to michael jackson? it looks bad in camera and in real life.

also, i look awful in flash photos, soso in non-flash photos, and ok in video. is that just an asian thing or is it just me?


MJ if you look at when he started surgery he looked much better in photos/videos etc then when he had to keep retouching his nose it started getting more and more abnormal since he kept on retouching...

Flash photos don't flatter asians because of the effect of light on the front of the face. Most asians will look fatter or their nose fatter than in real life because of this. That is why most actors/actresses get their nose higher or more pointer to accomodate this. It is also to do with if you have a high bridge. Hence the reasoning why many males have high bridges....

Bottom line is most asians have this problem and thats why you see that most prefer to do non full frontal pics when posing and their pics are slightly angled to the side because it compliments their face better when it flashes.

Before After...

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Thanks, My nose however I wouldn't mind sharper I could hae had silicone but didnt want to keep going back for retouches after a few years. Its gortex which they used and ear cartilege for the tip. I did spend alot of time discussing what we considered is good looking for a guy and I think thats important you have that type of discussions with your surgeon because each have their own ideals on what perfect beauty and symmetry is.

Here is my most recent pic.

m199051925.jpg


I'm a bit drunk there just came back from the club ^_^

I would still say frontwise I'm not happy with my profile but side and other angles it looks great. I think to achieve a very nice front its hard with my type of face because its too round but what I've been doing is reducing my body fat and I think my more recent pics you can see my face is gradually thinner so we see if it makes an improvement on the front angles.





MJ if you look at when he started surgery he looked much better in photos/videos etc then when he had to keep retouching his nose it started getting more and more abnormal since he kept on retouching...

Flash photos don't flatter asians because of the effect of light on the front of the face. Most asians will look fatter or their nose fatter than in real life because of this. That is why most actors/actresses get their nose higher or more pointer to accomodate this. It is also to do with if you have a high bridge. Hence the reasoning why many males have high bridges....

Bottom line is most asians have this problem and thats why you see that most prefer to do non full frontal pics when posing and their pics are slightly angled to the side because it compliments their face better when it flashes.

very interesting. yeah when i was healing i thot i looked better in pics (super high bridge). but now that i have deswelled not so much. in the mirror i think i looked ridiculous when i was healing and better now as i have deswelled. but i wonder what i look like to other in real life, like what i see in photos or in the mirror.

they say the camera never lies but i hope it does as far as asians are concerned. you in film or photography that you know so much?
 
very interesting. yeah when i was healing i thot i looked better in pics (super high bridge). but now that i have deswelled not so much. in the mirror i think i looked ridiculous when i was healing and better now as i have deswelled. but i wonder what i look like to other in real life, like what i see in photos or in the mirror.

they say the camera never lies but i hope it does as far as asians are concerned. you in film or photography that you know so much?

Others see you like what you see in the mirror, then on film then in camera so don't worry too much about how you come out in camera unless you want a career in music/film...

I think the saying the camera never lies is very false. There are way way too many models out there female ones which are not amazingly good looking when you see them in person but with the right camera and photographer and makeup can look amazing and then there are those which are amazing under any condition...

Makeup can do amazing things...

e.g. this is me visual kei with makeup before surgery.

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I would say your hairstyle has the greatest effect on your overall appearance after surgery and if you notice there is a reason why most asian singers,actors etc have these type of hairstyle like the one I have above... I would say that with the wrong hairstyle I would like different but there are some guys which can look great with any hairstyle e.g. Eric Mun and people like me which have to stick with one unless we want our flaws to accent out...

Yes I'm in the entertainment business. ;)
 
so how do you figure out the right hairstyle? asian hair is like wire stiff not much u can do with it..

Depends on your face shape and ethnicity e.g. chinese/thai/korean/japanese...

Certain face shapes suit you better than others and there is alot you can do with it trust ;)

If you see all the hairstyles I went through lol....

Can continue this via pm if you wish so we stop clogging up the thread here if you want to discuss more..
 
Others see you like what you see in the mirror, then on film then in camera so don't worry too much about how you come out in camera unless you want a career in music/film...

I think the saying the camera never lies is very false. There are way way too many models out there female ones which are not amazingly good looking when you see them in person but with the right camera and photographer and makeup can look amazing and then there are those which are amazing under any condition...

Makeup can do amazing things...

e.g. this is me visual kei with makeup before surgery.

w199053782.jpg


I would say your hairstyle has the greatest effect on your overall appearance after surgery and if you notice there is a reason why most asian singers,actors etc have these type of hairstyle like the one I have above... I would say that with the wrong hairstyle I would like different but there are some guys which can look great with any hairstyle e.g. Eric Mun and people like me which have to stick with one unless we want our flaws to accent out...

Yes I'm in the entertainment business. ;)





Hey just out of curiosity where in the entertainment like actor in asia somewhere. =]
 
dr shah told me he has done 1000 rhinoplastys of which 300 were on asians. strange that there is only 1 kinda asian photos on his site. i wonder if they are mostly indian asian? also strange that a few months earlier it was 700 rhinoplasties. i dont think he can really do 300 rhinoplasties in 3 months.

for those considering alarplasty, it is very important to learn which method they use: sill reduction, weir method, modified weir method. supposedly the modified weir produces the best results.

i would suggest you also consider charles lee. there have been many on this board that have gone to him and have been very happy with the results. perhaps if one can do it with shah first and then tell us so that the results are more concrete than pie in the sky and the 1 kinda asian before and after photos.

i thot about using shah for the nose too, and ultimately went with lee for the whole 9 yards. shah was saying bridge implant using rib, he was reluctant to touch the tip, and was so so on reducing alar. i got the sense he didnt want to do too much and maybe this is due to lack of experience or vision in how to create on an asian anatomy???

lee looked at me and he seemed like he knew what was needed...said silicone bridge, 1.5mm, i needed to rotate the tip own a smidge to make it a 90 degree angle, ear cartilage strut for the tip, take off 2mm in alar using modified weir and use some ear cartilage to fill out some empty regions in my nostirls. that was his advice. i went with it an i am very very happy with my new nose. looking at old pics of my nose i cant believe someone actually married me with it and that i didnt get it changed earlier.

i know of 2 other males who are delighted with their charles lee noses and me makes 3. lee is a proven expert in this. why go on an adventure unless you enjoy the excitement of risk.

i really have no complaints at all. but im only 3 weeks so mebe something bad will come up. nut things r going from good to better. if you can afford him and want peace of mind of knowing you are in experienced skilled hands, he would be the one.

Thank you for the info.

I think Shah might have meant Asian noses, since although Indians are Asians too, he does set apart "indian" noses from "asian" noses on his website, as there anatomy is completely different anyway.

For anyone interested - I emailed both Dr. Shah and Dr. Rizk for information, and here is what they said, summed up:

Dr. Shah told me what I wanted was "realistic" and "conservative" (I sent him a morph of the nose I wanted thru photoshopping my face. I was surprised, since I want my alars reduced wute a bit.) He said he would have to project the tip and do an alar base reduction. He also said he would have to thin out the bridge a little bit.

I asked Shah for pricing, I still have to wait until he gets back to me. Keep in mind that he is a new doctor everyone, he is not very famous yet and I think he has only been in practice for about 5-6 years. This is what I HEARD though. One person had to only get her right nostril fixed by him and he charged her 900 dollars...only 900 for a right nostril. I need to know what he will charge me for a full procedure though.

All Rizk said was that what I wanted was "very attainable" but his assistant spoke to me, so I am guessing I would have to see him in person for more info. Rizk seems like he's getting a bit too commercial for me and although I LOVELOVELOVE his results for Caucasian/African American/Latina patients, his work on Asian patients seems to be lacking. Dila, who emailed me back, siad he taught a rhinoplasty course in Japan and Korea...but the nose of the ladies on his site (except for the dentist) don't look too hot. He does a great job of thinning out the tip but the nostrils don't look very good and overall to me it just looks unnatural.

I am reluctant to see Charles Lee - he seems too commercial for me and the fact that he puts silicone in the nose puts me off a lot. I have heard mixed stories from him and honestly the pictures on his website do not impress me too much. But that is just my opinion.

FLAME - please keep me, or us, updated on how you feel about Shah! It is wavering between him and Rizk right now, seriously about 50/50 and I am so confused about both! I am afriad I won't be able to go in August because I have prior engagements but please do keep us updated for information, anything would be greatly appreciated!!

Gonnawin if you go to shah too, please let me know too! I am so sorry I recieved your message but I just can't work this darn website to respond!! I don't know how :( I'm going to keep trying...grrr....
 
hey guys, um does anyone know how to get rid of like fat cheeks? im thinking of doing this radio therapy (Fat-zap) to make my face more defined but apparently its not permanent. and now considering to just cut out the fat, its not much, has anyone had lipo on the face or buccal fat cut out, help please? oh btw this is not the same as the square face surgery
 
Hi all,

Had my first phone consult with Shah this morning. Good news and bad news. The good news is that he seems very caring, thorough, knowledgeable and flexible. He listened to my concerns and addressed each one. The phone call was cut short (office behind schedule) so I didn't get to ask him all my questions. I emailed him the rest of my questions (pertaining to stats that we are all wondering about) so I will post his answers later. So far, he did say 25% of his clientele are Asians (I emailed him later to clarify how many of these are Orientals/Southeast Asian). He has done over 800 rhinoplasties of which about 300 were Asian (if I remember correctly).

He is very aware of aesthetic concerns of Asian patients and will work with each patient to achieve what we want. He confirms that he only does 1 rhino a day so that his focus is only on that patient for the day. He's written 2 papers on rib graft warping and carving issues to decrease it. He did mention that the Asian girl on his website requested a very soft augmentation... which I thought was good that it was her choice since I'm looking for more projection and definition for my nose.

JOHN1, he did mention extending my tip with perichondrium and septal cartilage but he said it so fast that I am still confused as to where he was going to get this stuff so I emailed him back to clarify. I don't think he is planning to use this on my bridge though since I am getting the rib graft there. He did mention that my nose will feel very hard for at least 6 months... which is alright with me... at least my glasses will sit on my face properly. lol.

He is young and obviously haven't done as many rhinos as Dr. T (his mentor) or the Korean docs but it doesn't mean he doesn't have the skills to do a fantastic job. Personally, I would rather go to someone like Shah who will take the time to sit with me and work out exactly what I want (esp since I am bent on getting ONLY rib and nothing synthetic) than to someone who has an assembly line type of clinic and who are more familiar with Goretex, silicone or other synthetics.

However, onto the bad news (sorry Gonnawin and Manimani)... he has only done 2 alar base reductions. Thus, not much experience with alarplasty.

Will keep everyone posted on his answers to my other questions.

Oh my god, thank you SO much for the information. I have only been talking to him through email, so this was SO helpful for me!!

When he told me what he was going to do to me, he said he would do an alar base reduction AND a tip projection. Urghh so confused, but I do want to thank you a ton! Gonnawin and Flame, since we are all interested in the same doctor could I have your email address?? I am going to try to PM you once I figure out how to work this thing...but I haven't yet :( I would post my email address here but I don't really feel comfortable posting it....do you think you could PM me your email address and I will email you if you feel comfortable? (It's just hard to talk on these boards sometimes and I don't always check them)

sighhh more nervous now :( please do keep us posted.
 
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Hey just out of curiosity where in the entertainment like actor in asia somewhere. =]

Singing and Dancing but as you can see I'm not famous ^_^

Things didnt work too well with the label I was with but thats in the past now and in the future I will probably go independent but in asia its really about money if you want to be famous but with me I like to create new concepts.

hey guys, um does anyone know how to get rid of like fat cheeks? im thinking of doing this radio therapy (Fat-zap) to make my face more defined but apparently its not permanent. and now considering to just cut out the fat, its not much, has anyone had lipo on the face or buccal fat cut out, help please? oh btw this is not the same as the square face surgery

Best results is reducing your body fat then its botox. I tried the fat removal of cheeks and botox and they were only really temp measures but botox can last for 6 months and if you keep getting injections done can last awhile...

However my best results have been from just reducing my body fat levels and better diet.
 
hey guys, um does anyone know how to get rid of like fat cheeks? im thinking of doing this radio therapy (Fat-zap) to make my face more defined but apparently its not permanent. and now considering to just cut out the fat, its not much, has anyone had lipo on the face or buccal fat cut out, help please? oh btw this is not the same as the square face surgery

mkryu a few (hundred) pages back spoke about this. i think he said he went to the gym and did like face exercises??? search for his posts and i think u will find it. id be scared to lipo your face. lipo can look real bad on ur thighs and belly so...face yikes! i also read when you get older you lose fat so removing fat now makes you age faster?
 
john1 -

Hi, I am also considering Dr. Shah as well...however I have been reading these past few pages and I was one of the people who posted on the Make me Heal boards (if you couldn't guess, Mani11 is me)..

I know Shah is really inexperienced, which kind of worries me. He seems like a good guy, the results on his website seem pretty good and overall, it sounds like he could give me what I wanted. I am just afraid because he's still building clientele. I like that he only does one nose a day, seems to have lots of experiences with Asian noses, and can do alar base reductions (I don't know how well though..) I don't want a radical change on my nose, but I do need to reduce my alar width a LOT...like I don't want my tip and bridge super high, I just want the bridge thinned out slightly and the tip also less bulbous.

I get the feeling that you are a little skeptical of him, which is perfectly fine. We must all be careful when picking doctors to make sure we don't end up with botched noses. Do you think you could give me more info on why you think he is a little sketchy? I just want to make sure I don't get involved with a con man.
 
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