The evolutionary relationship between people and dogs is completely different from the relationship between people and cows or other livestock.
I'm sorry, this is straying far afield and into what's been said on various threads elsewhere.
are calfskin and lambskin cruel?
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The evolutionary relationship between people and dogs is completely different from the relationship between people and cows or other livestock.
I'm sorry, this is straying far afield and into what's been said on various threads elsewhere.
I've seen it an it doesn't mean anything to me personally.
For me, this isn't one of those things that you can do half way - you are either all in or all out. What I mean is if you don't eat meat for ethical reasons (animal rights), then you shouldn't be wearing them either. If you don't eat meat because it's a health/lifestyle choice, then that's another thing entirely.
And yes, as other members have pointed out, other threads on this already exist.
This. I don't eat meat, fish, dairy or eggs. But I carry leather bags, wear leather shoes. I do my best - and that's all any of us can do.
Lol, dog has been a friend of a human being for millions of years and we have developed friendly/family relations, therefore the comparison is not working for me.
Though I don't eat pork, I'm Muslim, so consider those piggies saved from me, lol. And btw in our culture halal meat is meat produced in certain way where animals should be killed fast with less pain and less suffer possible, with respect to its life.
As a humane society volunteer and licensed humane officer, I have to say that some people must be okay with puppies being killed. Anytime someone buys a puppy from a pet store or a hotel convention room or flea market and where ever else these POS breeders have found to peddle their pups, the purchaser is leaving a dog to die in a shelter. We can't hold them forever. If people would quit buying from the breeders, there would be no market. The problems gets 5 times worses when that purchaser decides not to spay/neuter that puppy! I know I'm preaching to the choir to some of the members here; I see it in your signatures on your posts
but --Adopt a shelter pet! Spay and neuter your pets!Or another question is this: How many people have surrendered their sick/senior/untrained dog to a kill shelter or for some lame reason like having a baby or he's getting to big/old/sheds too much/too energic/new carpet/just don't want anymore. Trust me. People are ok with puppies/dogs being killed. Way too okay with it.
As a humane society volunteer and licensed humane officer, I have to say that some people must be okay with puppies being killed. Anytime someone buys a puppy from a pet store or a hotel convention room or flea market and where ever else these POS breeders have found to peddle their pups, the purchaser is leaving a dog to die in a shelter. We can't hold them forever. If people would quit buying from the breeders, there would be no market. The problems gets 5 times worses when that purchaser decides not to spay/neuter that puppy! I know I'm preaching to the choir to some of the members here; I see it in your signatures on your posts
Or another question is this: How many people have surrendered their sick/senior/untrained dog to a kill shelter or for some lame reason like having a baby or he's getting to big/old/sheds too much/too energic/new carpet/just don't want anymore. Trust me. People are ok with puppies/dogs being killed. Way too okay with it.
I was talking about another poster who said it was okay for cows to die but not puppies. But I agree with you, if I were ever to have a dog I would adopt him/her. I absolutely do not understand how an owner could abandon their dogs because of something stupid like having a baby, it makes me very sad
Its great that you respect the animals' lives and that you don't eat piggies but they are still being killed, they still suffer and feel pain. Though, like I said...great, they feel less.
I just saw this post...sorry for going off topic. Anyway I'm not trying to start anything so sorry. To each their own.
Yup, piggies are still been killed. Not just to be eaten but also to be worn as your shoes, your bags, your coats.
Practice what you preach.
I'm not exactly sure how puppies/dogs fit into a discussion about calfskin/lambskin handbags
I don't mind threads going off-topic, but in this case, the discussion about dogs/puppies, pet adoption, etc. seems more appropriate in an entirely different thread and forum. Maybe this might be a good place to share those thoughts?:
http://forum.purseblog.com/animalicious/the-tpf-animalicious-rescue-adoption-hotline-430186.html
(it's a great thread by the way - lots of wonderful info on pet adoption)
I don't mind threads going off-topic, but in this case, the discussion about dogs/puppies, pet adoption, etc. seems more appropriate in an entirely different thread and forum. Maybe this might be a good place to share those thoughts?
:http://forum.purseblog.com/animalicious/the-tpf-animalicious-rescue-adoption-hotline-430186.html
(it's a great thread by the way - lots of wonderful info on pet adoption)
I do research on all my products--I've even gone as far to email/call companies to find out their policies on animal testing, where they source ingredients from etc. Most of my products are vegan, but a few are not (the product itself isn't tested on animals, but ingredients in it are). I'm working on replacing those...
Medically I haven't found many options, other than looking at changing eating habits and lifestyle. By doing that I've eliminated several medications, but I still take one and as I know from my sister (who has worked in medical research), my prescription probably is anything but animal friendly.
Exactly, there is a difference between "not tested on animals" and "vegan" products. Really it comes down to DOING YOUR RESEARCH--i cannot stress that enough.
Every time I see the title of this thread, I think ... well, it's not cruel because the animals aren't skinned alive, for God's sake.
It's not like their mothers are over in another pen watching their children be decapitated or something.
We humans tend to put our human imagination to work on subjects like this.
Sigh.
I dislike the taste of veal and calf - but I've never thought about it other than that.
One either likes and uses leather bags and other leather goods, or one doesn't. There's not a lot any of us here can do about the situation except practice what we preach, and I know we do that.
Carry on
I STRONGLY disagree with what you posted. I am not going to get all preachy or post things that may disturb or upset people, but I've been actively involved and researching this for most of my life, specifically the meat packing industry's involvement and treatment of animals. I, personally, see nothing wrong with eating meat and if I could find a humane way to do it, I just might. For me, the biggest reason I do not eat meat is because of the slaughtering process and treatment of the animals (even most humanely treated animals go through the same slaughter houses). If someone hunted a deer, cleaned it up and cooked it themselves, I would see nothign wrong with eating it. But 99% of the meat on the kitchen table go through treatment so incredibly inhumane. I suggest books like "the case for animal rights," "the emotional lives of animals," "eating animals," "some we love, some we hate, some we eat," or "why we love dogs, eat pigs and wear cows." "Eating Animals," is a great, eyeopening and nonpreachy book that gives a complete look at the industry, but can be tough to read at times. "Some we love..." and "Why we love dogs..." are better options if you are just curious, want easy reads and don't want as much of the in your face brutality of the industry. The others (like the case for animal rights etc) can get a little preachy but are very well done.
Anyway, Ill stop now but I just want to make it clear, many animals are skinned alive, many calves are killed in front of their moms and vice versa, chickens are boiled alive, animals scream etc (here, in the US). Like animal activists always say--if slaughterhouses had windows, no one would ever eat meat again.
For example, my husband (who feels about cars the way I feel about handbags) told me that he was recently reading about one of the very expensive car manufacturers--I think it was Rolls Royce--that specifically raise cattle in a cold part of one of the Scandinavian countries to use for leather seats. Why? Because there are no mosquitos there, and thus no microscopic mosquito bite holes (e.g. defects) would be in their leather. I suspect that the same thing goes on with other ultra-premium leather products as well, and that it may be unlikely that the same cow who gave you your <insert premier designer here> bag was also someone's dinner
I am finding it hard to believe your husband's story. The further you go north the more mosquitos there are, at least in Lapland there are way too many!
I have no qualms using any leather products but try to limit my consumption of meat unless it is wild, so game (deer, reindeer, game birds) is ok. Fur is another story, I only use vintage fur.
Way too many seals in Canada, their overpopulation is contributing to the continued decline of our fish stocks. Indeed that population decline is caused by us humans with our unsustainable fishing. However, something must be done and I have no problem with government sanctioned hunts. Last time I checked dogs aren't running rampant due to overpopulating in the wild.
Hi Tuia, I just asked my husband abut this (to find out the source, since it's not really "his" story). The manufacturer is Bentley, and the cows are raised in Iceland (my bad, not a Scandanavian country!). The source is an Autoblog podcast, I'm going to have him find the link when he gets a chance and will post it here.
In the meantime, here's a link to information about the fact that there are no mosquitoes in Iceland:
http://totaliceland.com/why-mosquitos-iceland/
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Wow, thanks! I had no idea that Iceland is mosquito-free. I come from Finland and the are way too many mosquitos in here in the summer... Especially in the north, I'll never go there in the summer!
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