^ But there are a lot of reasons for being vegetarian, and animal rights isn't the only one. For you, it sounds like you were raised that way and are most healthy and comfortable eating that way. If you are vegetarian for health and lifestyle reasons, then I don't think leather or fur necessarily comes into play. Owning or wearing leather or fur would be a non-issue. Now, if you are a vegetarian for the sole reason of animal rights, then that would be a difficult thing to reconcile.
are calfskin and lambskin cruel?
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I struggle with the concept myself, and I sort of self justify, by trying to consume less. calf skin and lamb skin are food by products and leather is greener than plastic . I have the same issues with fur, as I love the look of it- (not to mention the warmth) but cannot accept the way it's produced. So I have a vintage fox and I allow myself to buy rabbit lining and coyote fur for trims. ( poor little coyote! They are wild not farmed. Apparently they have to cull them or their numbers grow too big to be sustainable) I can't bear the thought of farmed animals, no one deserves that.
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I never struggled with having leather as I thought they were a byproduct of the meat industry. It never occurred to me that calves or lambs would be raised just for their skins. I tried to google where certain purse-makers source their leather, but nothing came up. I heard horrible things about counterfeit Ugg Boots made in China but never anything about handbags.
Every time I see the title of this thread, I think ... well, it's not cruel because the animals aren't skinned alive, for God's sake.
It's not like their mothers are over in another pen watching their children be decapitated or something.
We humans tend to put our human imagination to work on subjects like this.
Sigh.
I dislike the taste of veal and calf - but I've never thought about it other than that.
One either likes and uses leather bags and other leather goods, or one doesn't. There's not a lot any of us here can do about the situation except practice what we preach, and I know we do that.
Carry on
It's not like their mothers are over in another pen watching their children be decapitated or something.
We humans tend to put our human imagination to work on subjects like this.
Sigh.
I dislike the taste of veal and calf - but I've never thought about it other than that.
One either likes and uses leather bags and other leather goods, or one doesn't. There's not a lot any of us here can do about the situation except practice what we preach, and I know we do that.
Carry on
Every time I see the title of this thread, I think ... well, it's not cruel because the animals aren't skinned alive, for God's sake.
It's not like their mothers are over in another pen watching their children be decapitated or something.
We humans tend to put our human imagination to work on subjects like this.
Sigh.
I dislike the taste of veal and calf - but I've never thought about it other than that.
One either likes and uses leather bags and other leather goods, or one doesn't. There's not a lot any of us here can do about the situation except practice what we preach, and I know we do that.
Carry on
Well, one can only hope that they are dead and eviscerated before they are skinned. Have you Googled China animals skinned alive?
I don't eat meat and I am not exactly a purist in practicing what I preach, but I do the best I can.
Aren't pythons skinned alive? I doubt they're nicer to lambs.
Well, see, I wasn't thinking about other countries' practices. Completely focused on the USA, my mistake.
I don't care to Google anything about this, as I wouldn't trust any info.
well, see, i wasn't thinking about other countries' practices. Completely focused on the usa, my mistake.
i don't care to google anything about this, as i wouldn't trust any info.
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While I don't doubt that some idiot has skinned almost anything alive and filmed it (some humans are pretty sick), I fail to see how it would be practical in most cases. Under most circumstances, it is far easier to skin something that won't wiggle or make noise (depending on the type of animal). Killing the animal first is just the most practical thing to do unless you take some sick pleasure in the pain of something else. I doubt that it is a widespread practice to skin animals alive, but there are videos of anything to be found as "evidence" for something online.
I also don't think it's kinder or unkind to kill an older or younger animal, a life is a life after-all. I would have thought a younger animal was more likely to be used for meat, I can't remember when I last saw mutton on a menu?
If you're not a vegetarian, I think the kindest thing to to is cut back on quantity not quality. Plenty of vintage leather lamb or calf bags out there too, so no new animal has to die. 100 nylon bags are not any kinder to the planet and therefore any animals
I agree. Personally that's how I approach it at least. Consumption in itself isn't bad, but overconsumption more often than not are at the root of unethical practices.
That's how I feel.
All those stories about skinning animals alive... Gosh, have you ever tried to kill something, like a chicken? It's really hard and no animal will give up life without fighting.
I must admit I differentiate animals, and eating a cow for me is not like eating a dog or cats. I understand its culture and traditional food but that I can't support. I saw videos of puppies being boiled alive and that I can't take. I have many friends from China and Korea and they have dogs and cats as home pets but they say that eating dogs and cats is still cultural thing.
Have any of you seen this? Being okay with a cow being killed but not okay with a puppy being killed is completely unfair...why are puppies more important than calves?
Also people are always talking about Chinese people eating dogs but what about the rest of the world eating cows, pigs, deer etc? How about Canadians and the seal hunt? How is that any better?
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