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OK, too funny in light of topics that have been in the news for months - about destroying company records
16 03 shows a burnt time sheet ? What is that about ? Not exactly good record keeping practice

And just to be nit picky - the video is copyrighted 2012 but shows the production printing of Pegase 2011SS, so, the the photos of the production process are likely ca fall 2010, not 2012. They change the process periodically - the web site that I cited referred to the super secret laser printer during a spring 2013 visit. So, dates are good if you want to determine the specifics of the process
 
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@marietouchet I hope you found it interesting. I don't think this video can be used to determine H's production process and at the end of the day it's a marketing piece from 2011-2012. I don't see the need to pick it apart or analyze every detail, especially in light of the fact there will be no end result that is definitive one way or the other. I've said before in this very thread, I don't buy Hermes products because I believe they are made by only human hands and the joy in my purchases is not diminished because I learn otherwise. I either think something is worth it or it's not. Everyone has to decide that for themselves.

I very much admire what Hermes has done with their brand over the years and in order to keep it alive and thriving financially, they're going to have to keep changing. I believe they will make responsible decisions that will not diminish the overall quality or experience for the client and I understand if not everyone agrees with that. If I ever feel the decline in quality myself, I won't continue to buy. Thanks for your contributions to this thread!
 
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Thank you @nhoness and @MrsOwen3 for posting the link to that movie. I hadn’t seen it before. I very much agree with you, MrsOwen3. As long as the quality doesn’t suffer I personally have no problem with their use of technology. I don’t view it as machines making their products rather than craftspeople. I see it as craftspeople using “upgraded” (or at least updated) tools. That said, I’d be interested to see a comparison thread on original release silks and their new re-releases that may be printed differently to see how they differ visually.
 
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marietouchet said:
OK, too funny in light of topics that have been in the news for months - about destroying company records
16 03 shows a burnt time sheet ? What is that about ? Not exactly good record keeping practice

And just to be nit picky - the video is copyrighted 2012 but shows the production printing of Pegase 2011SS, so, the the photos of the production process are likely ca fall 2010, not 2012. They change the process periodically - the web site that I cited referred to the super secret laser printer during a spring 2013 visit. So, dates are good if you want to determine the specifics of the process
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Thank you so very much for this detailed analysis -- I learned a huge amount, and I am grateful for the time and effort you put into it. Anyone interested in textiles, print production, and the scarves is likely to find your observations fascinating, whether or not the various methods shown are still used today or are used in only a few select scarves. This has been the most interesting and informative thread I have read in a long time. The newer designs work better with my wardrobe and aesthetic, but I now have a greater appreciation for the vintage scarves.
 
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this video has been posted both here and here.
And it has sparked some discussions we have had here before in the current scarf threads.

I like how upfront Hermès is about the mass production.
And I am glad it shows screen printing facilities and not huge laser printers.
Yes, I wonder as well if the silks used in the video made it to the stores (maybe those are the ones the SAs get to keep ;))

but you know what is the worst about it: somebody was allowed to roam and run around in all of this silken glory :drool: AND IT WAS NOT ME!:cool:

I hope embedding the video and the hyperlinks to the other threads worked out :-s
 
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HoneyLocks said:
<iframe width="500" height="300" src="" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

this video has been posted both here and here.
And it has sparked some discussions we have had here before in the current scarf threads.

I like how upfront Hermès is about the mass production.
And I am glad it shows screen printing facilities and not huge laser printers.
Yes, I wonder as well if the silks used in the video made it to the stores (maybe those are the ones the SAs get to keep ;))

but you know what is the worst about it: somebody was allowed to roam and run around in all of this silken glory :drool: AND IT WAS NOT ME!:cool:

I hope embedding the video and the hyperlinks to the other threads worked out :-s
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Agreed, it looked like a fun day or two for the model.

As I've said before, technology doesn't always mean the product suffers. H sells millions of scarves and I shudder to think what the price would be if some sweet old Frenchman stood there screening 20 colors one scarf at a time.

When you buy at H price points, you are trusting the brand and the managing family to stand behind their products. I don't think they would release something showing this process if they thought they were devaluing their scarves. Obviously everyone is free to buy what they think is worth it but for me, until I'm let down by something I continue to be happy to learn as much as I can about a company who keeps so much crafting history alive and current!
 
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HoneyLocks said:
<iframe width="500" height="300" src="" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

this video has been posted both here and here.
And it has sparked some discussions we have had here before in the current scarf threads.

I like how upfront Hermès is about the mass production.
And I am glad it shows screen printing facilities and not huge laser printers.
Yes, I wonder as well if the silks used in the video made it to the stores (maybe those are the ones the SAs get to keep ;))

but you know what is the worst about it: somebody was allowed to roam and run around in all of this silken glory :drool: AND IT WAS NOT ME!:cool:

I hope embedding the video and the hyperlinks to the other threads worked out :-s
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Thanks for posting it here, so the other threads can stay on topic. I actually love the video. Hermes has a good taste with their promotional and PR stuff.
While it's not showing printers, we know that they do make scarves with newer technology now, including digital/laser/inkjet printing. Maybe they have it in the other side of the building :smile: Even though I prefer the older grails due to better quality, Hermes scarves are still the BEST in the world to me, by far :smile:
 
#174
i did not quite expect my thread would surface from time to time.

I had a chance to discuss with some craftspersons in Hermes. All of them confirmed me that not all products are stitched by hands, but stitched by machines. For example, the handle of kelly is stitched by hand, whereas handles of birkin (except exotic skins) are stithced by machine. Evelyne are machine-stitched. I did not ask about other styles.....
 
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HoneyLocks said:
Just two pictures for those of you who still think the silk printing is done by hand as shown at the festival des metiers.
These machines can even be seen in action at the official Hermes editeur videos on youtube.
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Took forever to find this thread LOL , and it took a while to find the photos of the scarf machine, cf supra from Honeylocks
Now am too pooped to find the original post - someone asked a few months ago - how long thescarf machines have been in use (versus hand squeegeeing one 90cm at a time as per the Métiers demos)
Well, I finally found a photo of 90cm scarf machines in the 1985 Le Monde - sorry cannot copy photo without cracking the bnding of the magazine
The ginormous 90cm scarf machines have been around since at least 1985 ... per this issue of Le Monde
https://www.google.com/search?q=hermes+le+monde+1985&safe=active&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS568US568&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvyo2DgNvQAhVriFQKHYo-BYsQsAQIKQ&biw=2304&bih=1029&dpr=0.83#imgrc=RJXUPjs1mysxtM:
Page 92 clearly shows 1985 issues of Springs (Ledoux) coming off the machines
 
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marietouchet said:
Took forever to find this thread LOL , and it took a while to find the photos of the scarf machine, cf supra from Honeylocks
Now am too pooped to find the original post - someone asked a few months ago - how long thescarf machines have been in use (versus hand squeegeeing one 90cm at a time as per the Métiers demos)
Well, I finally found a photo of 90cm scarf machines in the 1985 Le Monde - sorry cannot copy photo without cracking the bnding of the magazine
The ginormous 90cm scarf machines have been around since at least 1985 ... per this issue of Le Monde
https://www.google.com/search?q=hermes+le+monde+1985&safe=active&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS568US568&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvyo2DgNvQAhVriFQKHYo-BYsQsAQIKQ&biw=2304&bih=1029&dpr=0.83#imgrc=RJXUPjs1mysxtM:
Page 92 clearly shows 1985 issues of Springs (Ledoux) coming off the machines
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I understand your concern about cracking the spine of the magazine, but could you maybe just take a photo of the article as I am genuinely interested?
I do not care if it is straight or not...
 
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HoneyLocks said:
I understand your concern about cracking the spine of the magazine, but could you maybe just take a photo of the article as I am genuinely interested?
I do not care if it is straight or not...
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Well, not a good photo but you can see Springs coming off the machines in the issue of Le Monde - bottom left photos , the text does not say much in particular, and does not describe what is happening in the 4 photos
1984 1985 Le Monde Manufacturing.JPG
 
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