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Adele took time to raise her infant as she pondered what to do next. “I was scared,” she admitted. “It got so out of control, the last album. I was a bit frightened for a while to step back into it.” Health problems, including a vocal hemorrhage that threatened to permanently damage her voice, had forced her to cancel extensive touring in 2011 and undergo throat surgery; regardless, “21” was a bulwark of the recorded music business throughout 2012. With “25,” she said, “I won’t do less touring than I did before, but what I did before wasn’t that much.”
Adele made her first efforts to write new songs in 2013. Initially, she said, “I didn’t think I had it in me to write another record. I didn’t know if I should. Because of how successful ‘21’ was, I thought, ‘Maybe everyone’s happy with that being the last thing from me. Maybe I should bow out on a high.’”
Of course, she changed her mind. “As time went on, I realized I had no choice,” she continued. “I have to write more music for myself, and there’s nothing else I want to do.”
In an interview before rehearsal, Adele was nestled in a black leather armchair at Soho House Dean Street, an antique-filled Georgian townhouse, in a sitting room reserved by her manager to assure privacy. As Adele’s concert audiences have learned, she’s a voluble, unguarded talker, more willing to confess insecurity or ponder her duty to her fans than to promote herself. She doesn’t hide her unposh North London accent, and she cheerfully flings profanities and breaks into her melodic bark of a laugh.
She was wearing a voluminous dark-blue sweater, black Converse high tops and a pair of baggy black pants that, she admitted, were actually pajama bottoms. I joshed that she might start a trend in Britain. “It already is a bit of one,” she said, and laughed. “But for skinny people.”
Adele would not revisit the making of “21” even if she could. “I just used to let myself drown,” she said. “If I was sad, if I was confused — which I would say were the running themes for most of my records so far — I’d just go with it. I’d let myself fall apart, and I’d sit in darkness, and I’d feel sorry for myself, and I wouldn’t accept any help to get out of it, in terms of going out with my friends to cheer me up, or staying busier. No! I loved the drama of it all.”
She added: “How I felt when I wrote ‘21,’ I wouldn’t want to feel again. It was horrible. I was miserable, I was lonely, I was sad, I was angry, I was bitter. I thought I was going to be single for the rest of my life. I thought I was never going to love again. It’s not worth it.”
She reconsidered for a moment. “Well, it was worth it, because, obviously, of what’s gone on. But I’m not willing to feel like that to write a song again. I’m not.”
Now that she’s a parent, “I haven’t got time to fall apart,” she added. “I’m the backbone for my kid, and I want to be there for him. And I want to be there for my boyfriend as well, and I don’t want to bring them down with me for my art.”
Although she emerged to perform “Skyfall” at the 2013 Academy Awards, Adele devoted much of her time between albums to “the most normal things you could ever imagine,” she said. “I’ve been to every park, every museum, every shopping center.”
Determined to be known for music and music only, Adele also turned down endorsements and cross-marketing projects that would have kept her highly visible. “If I wanted to just be famous, like be a celebrity, then I wouldn’t do music, because everything else I’ve been offered would probably make me more famous than I am just with my music,” she said. “Commercials, being the face of brands, nail varnishes, shoes, bags, fashion lines, beauty ranges, hair products, being in movies, being the face of a car, designing watches, food ranges, buildings, airlines, book deals. I’ve been offered everything. And I don’t want to water myself down. I want to do one thing. I want to make something. I don’t want to be the face of anything.
“Everyone thinks I just disappeared, and I didn’t,” she said. “I just went back to real life, because I had to write an album about real life, because otherwise how can you be relatable? If I wrote about being famous — that’s [expletive] boring.”
When she tried to start the new album in 2013, Adele came up empty. “I didn’t have a subject,” she said. She was reluctant to write about her son. “He’s the love of my life and the light of my life, but he’s no one else’s apart from me and his dad. So no one else can really relate to that. Also, all my fans aren’t parents, so they wouldn’t want to listen to that.”
Yet it was a maternal love song, “Remedy,” that restored Adele’s confidence, she said, and was the turning point for “25.” Mr. Tedder had the word “remedy,” some waltzing piano motifs and the idea that the song might be about someone beloved; he looked to Adele for the rest. “She immediately said, ‘This is about my kid,’” Mr. Tedder recalled. “That unlocked the whole lyric. And it was done, written and recorded that day.”
Adele worked with her previous producers, like Mr. Tedder and Mr. Epworth, and with new collaborators from pop’s top echelons: Sia; Bruno Mars; and the producers Greg Kurstin (Pink, Sia, Kelly Clarkson), Max Martin (Taylor Swift, the Weeknd) and Danger Mouse (Gnarls Barkley, the Black Keys).
She was resolved not to repeat “21”; she also, for the first time, discarded as many songs as she kept. “The girl has probably thrown away easily 20 hits off of ‘25’ that will at some point wander away, maybe into other artists’ hands,” Mr. Tedder said. “With Adele, it’s not about ‘Can I get a hit? Can I sing that note? Can I get with the best producers?’ It’s about, ‘What’s the story?’”
The story, in many songs on “25,” is about what to hold on to from the past and what to let go. The songs plunge into their own fears and uncertainty. “Million Years Ago,” a delicate guitar ballad with a hint of Edith Piaf, mourns lost youth and confesses, “I feel like my life is flashing by/And all I can do is watch and cry.”
At rehearsal, Adele sang “Million Years Ago” in two versions, one beginning a cappella with her voice completely alone and exposed. There were tears in that voice but not, for the moment, in her eyes.
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