I do the lisa eldrige method. Create a stain first.
I agree with this. You need a stain first for long lasting lip color.
Makeup Forever Aqualip or whatever its called wont budge. however, I hated it because it made my lips feel like dried prunes even with gloss it comes with and after you eat, you have a ring on the inside of your lip but reapplying this is rather hard and it looks caked.
and to take it off, you need special remover.
too much hassle for me